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Women who sexually abuse

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msanonymouse · 24/01/2017 11:18

I raised this issue within another thread and was urged to start my own thread rather than derail the discussion. So I have.

I referred to a conference, some years ago, focusing on the perpetration of child sex abuse by women. A number of women calling themselves feminists turned up at the event. The conference organiser reports that:

"They stood up and started yelling about how terrible it was that I was detracting from the fact that male power was to blame."

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/taboo-tolerance/female-sexual-abuse-the-untold-story-of-societys-last-taboo-1767688.html

I referred to this incident to illustrate a point I was struggling to make: that a binary model of gender oppression is valid and necessary, but if applied to all the permutations of abusive pathology that arise within a complex social reality it can prove problematic.

Surprisingly, one poster said the women were right to speak up. As any attempt to increase awareness of CSA and speak up for its victims is a self-evidently good thing, this seemed a problematic attitude to take.

Please understand: I in no way mean to suggest this attitude is characteristic of feminists. Neither am I attempting to detract from or downplay the fact that the overwhelming majority of CSA (and sexual violence of all kinds) is perpetrated by males.

However, the sexual victimisation of children by women is taboo. And it strikes me that some feminists are so uncomfortable with the fact that women are capable of sexual violation as well as men that they unwittingly perpetuate this taboo. This attitude perpetuates myths and stereotypes that are enormously damaging to victims who often suffer in silence for their entire lives because they have internalised these patriarchal tropes.

I would be interested to read any thoughts anyone has on this issue from a feminist perspective.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 24/01/2017 11:53

The thread was about men and male violence.

Can you give examples of where it's often inferred?

msanonymouse · 24/01/2017 11:51

The discussion was not about male sexual violence.

It is inferred often, I believe.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 24/01/2017 11:49

"women are incapable of sexual violence" does this happen, that this is often asserted?

If the discussion is about male sexual violence then is it appropriate to try to divert the discussion onto female perpetrators?

msanonymouse · 24/01/2017 11:46

Do you think they shouldn't do that?

No, of course not. As I said, my objection is only to feminists who wish to suppress or deny the issue. There is no more reason why feminists should focus on female CSA than black rights activists should focus on issues affecting white people. It's only when people infer that women are incapable of sexual violence, or that any attempt to speak up for victims of female paedophiles is a detraction that there's a problem.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 24/01/2017 11:38

"the sexual victimisation of children by women is taboo." Do you mean the discussion/acknowledgment of this is taboo?

I don't think that any reasonable feminist would say that women don't do these things. There are high profile cases where they have done so. But feminists, unsurprisingly, will want to discuss and focus on the issue of male violence which is the overwhelming majority. Do you think they shouldn't do that?

LeopardPrintSocks1 · 24/01/2017 11:32

I've noticed that most paedophilia committed by women is usually made and distributed to men to get their attention or to keep them. But that's just what I've read in papers about incidents such as vanessa george etc

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 24/01/2017 11:29

I am going out now but will be very interested to see how this thread evolves

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 24/01/2017 11:28

Hey ms

I am not a very good feminist so i am probably the worst one to comment

I think any form of child abuse is obviously completely and utterly wrong. I would in no way condon anyone try to stop any investigations into why people do this

I do however see the point of some of the other posters...on many many threads someone turns up to say that women do it too and they use it to derail the thread

I appreciate that you dont think that and that you were not derailing in that way