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Mexico City Policy - Trump

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MrsTerryPratchett · 24/01/2017 04:42

So Trump has signed back into law the MCP which prevents US dollars going to organizations that perform abortions. Even though none of the American dollars are spent on them. So an organization which funds birth control and sexual education with US money... if they use other money to fund abortions, will be defunded.

And he signed the executive order in a sea of men.

Are people so genuinely stupid that they can't understand that birth control and sex ed prevents abortions? Or is this the price of having Pence get him the Christian Right vote?

Utter scum.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 02/02/2017 17:45

Worse, I think. The anti-woman stuff isn't just him being an arsehole, it's a lot of powerful people behind him, and even if by some stroke of good luck the US somehow manages to get rid of him before the end of his term, what we get instead could easily be as bad or worse.

OlennasWimple · 02/02/2017 17:00

Not sure whether that would make it better or worse, TBH Sad

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/02/2017 16:32

I'm willing to bet Pence wanted it in the first week. Trump had to buy the religious right with something.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 02/02/2017 16:30

It probably was already planned - the antichoice people are such an important part of his power base.

OlennasWimple · 02/02/2017 15:55

I genuinely wonder whether this was always on the plan for first week activity, or if it got brought forward as a big fuck you to the women who marched...

VikingVolva · 02/02/2017 06:53

I didn't mean the Dutch initiative.

I meant an organisation which the US can fund

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Itwasthenandstillis · 26/01/2017 12:05

this is devastating. I will never understand how people feel that they have right to dictate to others the choice of abortion. I understand even less how this can be one of the first priorities for a new president. I see this as a very targeted and personal attack on women. More devastating is the consequences for the millions of women who will no longer be able to benefit from the healthcare that these organisations will no longer be able to provide. Those women who never had the option to vote in the US elections will be seriously disadvantaged by this.

palebluedotty · 26/01/2017 11:06

Agree this is short-sighted and a blow to women's rights and health. Let's just also remember while on the subject, and I'm sure it's been discussed on here before, that women in our own nation are also being refused access to abortion in N.I. and must pay for it themselves if they come to England. Whether it is imposed or not the maximum prison sentence in N.I. for illegal abortion is life imprisonment.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/02/northern-irish-women-second-class-citizens-abortions-nhs-supreme-court-told

I was pleased to read that Nicola Sturgeon has been putting thought to this though.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/29/sturgeon-confirms-scottish-talks-on-free-abortions-for-northern-irish-women

amispartacus · 26/01/2017 10:32

So what is needed now is an organisation (or set of organisations) which offer the fundable elements of sexual and reproductive health care. Are there any such bodies

I think the Dutch are taking the lead on this. Stepping up to the plate.

VikingVolva · 26/01/2017 10:24

There isn't much project that this will change in the next 4 years at least.

So what is needed now is an organisation (or set of organisations) which offer the fundable elements of sexual and reproductive health care. Are there any such bodies?

I think it's important that those elements of care are not stalled, and that a way needs to be found that does the best possible work given the reality of what has happened.

amispartacus · 26/01/2017 10:15

I know it's a cheap point but I would imagine a great many US tax dollars have killed babies

It's cognitive dissonance.

OTOH, you can think all life is sacred and that's why abortion should be banned

OTOH - you have no issue with bombing people, supplying weapons to countries like Saudi, have no issue with the right to bear guns even though there have been a lot of massacres.

People tend to go quiet when you ask them how 1 view sits with their other view.

Dervel · 26/01/2017 09:11

I know it's a cheap point but I would imagine a great many US tax dollars have killed babies, children, men and women (pregnant or no). All the bombs, drone strikes etc etc.

I think if you wanted to be trully pro life you'd have to oppose United States foreign policy (ultimately in this area the distinction between a Trump or an Obama is pretty negligible).

amispartacus · 26/01/2017 07:53

But the people affected are women and non American so why would he care about them? He's also concerned about murder and rape by illegal immigrants so I am looking forward to him addressing issues of murder, rape, DV of American women by American men. I strongly suspect he won't do anything about that but he will reduce funding for important programmed that receive federal funding.

Xenophile · 26/01/2017 07:47

Tyto... US tax dollars haven't been used to provide abortions in the developing world. Nor has it been used to kill any babies. Sorry you're so ridiculously ill informed. Maybe remove your Google search for a bit so you don't make yourself look quite so foolish again?

FatCatFaces · 26/01/2017 06:02

There are no baby killing charities Tyto as that would be illegal wouldn't it? Hmm

You can sure as shit guarantee that Trump would be significantly less "pro-life" if his wandering dick got HIM pregnant. Luckily for him, he is a man so he can sign papers making decisions about those with vaginas, while remaining completely unaffected.

I live in a country where abortion is illegal and women have no rights. The only way you'd get an abortion here is if having the baby would kill you. Even then it would need to be approved by a panel of men medics. If you can't afford the baby, tough shit on you and the child. If you can't educate the baby, tough shit on you and the child. If you already have 6 other children, tough shit on you all. You can harp on about sex education, contraception and abstinence if you like. We don't have sex education here. We do have contraception but those who most need it would be denied it by their husbands and most likely unable get to the pharmacy anyway, what with not being able to drive... Abstinence is a two way street but men have needs that their chattels provide, so they win. Imagine how terrifying life must be when you have next to no free will.

Trump should be sent here. He'd fit in nicely among the higher powers. It's funny how someone so anti Muslim has the most Sharia compliant views...

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/01/2017 05:21

At least get your facts straight. No American money goes to perform abortions overseas. None. Zero. Not for decades.

This money was going to charities that supply birth control, family planning advice and prenatal care. They also happen to receive OTHER money that may go to terminations, abortion advice or even campaigns to legalize abortion in those counties where it is illegal. In some cases it's illegal even in cases of rape, incest, mother and/or baby will die before birth, abuse.

So yes, I do consider that charitable. It also PREVENTS abortions. Because decent sex ed, advice and birth control does prevent unwanted pregnancy and therefore abortions, including illegal ones that kill the mother.

I know you're a troll. I'm posting for other people who might be lurking and confused about what this actually means.

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TytoAlba · 26/01/2017 05:08

Wow, I'm amazed by the belief killing babies is a charitable action.

MrsTerryPratchett · 25/01/2017 23:43

Apparently there's no secret he's pro life. Not so much pro-life as anti-women.

Good for Lilianne Ploumen. I would give to that fund in a second.

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amispartacus · 25/01/2017 22:41

Looks like the Netherlands is proposing a fund to 'replace' the US funding.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38747646

Every action has a reaction. Trump is uniting people around the world.

amispartacus · 24/01/2017 22:03

Apparently there's no secret he's pro life. There's a march for life on Friday - Kelly Anne will be there.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/01/2017 21:47

would it be any better in a month or 5? No, but a few women might have been better off for a while longer. Sad

He is a cunt Goodness no. That's an insult to cunts. He's some kind of diseased pustule.

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amispartacus · 24/01/2017 21:27

What mindset goes on?

Um, 1st day in office, Must rescind this straight away as it's the number 1 thing on my to do list. FFS

Whisky2014 · 24/01/2017 21:27

Yeh first week would it be any better in a month or 5? first day he removed all word of global warming. It is scary but im not shocked. He is a cunt

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