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This pussy grabs back

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AskBasil · 22/01/2017 12:41

I didn't want to de-rail the main women's march thread, so I thought I'd post this here. This ludicrous blog post came up on my feed this morning and I think it's useful as it shows so clearly, the level of narcissism and misogyny of the most vocal transactivists who hate women so much that they are angry when we even mention slang terms for female genitalia (and I am using female in the biological, scientific sense, not the new-fangled Alice in Wonderland "words mean whatever I they say I mean" sense).

transactivist telling a woman she's not allowed to respond to Trump with any reference to her own body and feelings

If I hadn't already reached peak trans several times in the last few years, this would have been the post that brought me to peak trans.

It should beggar belief that a person born with a penis and XY chromosomes, who has been raised and socialised as a boy and then a man, has the fucking cheek to transplain women that they are not allowed to respond to Trump with a reference to their own genitalia using the term Trump himself used. And yet it doesn't. We have grown used to the tiny, tiny tiny number of transactivists who tell us they are women, behaving exactly like the sex class of men do, when they arrogate to themselves the right to tell women what to talk about, how to talk, how to think. And when they tell the vast majority of women, that we are not allowed to talk about birth, menstruation, breastfeeding, abortion, birth, pregnancy, vulvas, vaginas and "pussies" because such matters bear no relevance to the really important members of the group "women".

FFS. How do women who call themselves feminism manage to be in such deep denial about this?

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 25/01/2017 17:57

PeachyYogurt! Finally someone talking sense (apart from you lovely lot of course)

CantReach · 25/01/2017 17:48

I've also been sexually assaulted - involving being literally grabbed by the pussy - and I also have no feelings that the phrase trivialises it. I don't think it's the classiest slogan ever, but that's not what it's intending to be.

venusinscorpio · 25/01/2017 14:23

I agree, "transmisogyny" is a nonsense.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 25/01/2017 13:15

If we can't reference GYNecology, how can we reference misoGYNy? (Don't get me started on 'transmisogyny' - ignorant, meaningless term).

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SeaWitchly · 25/01/2017 11:49

Fab video - "Sir, this is not about you. Butt out!" Grin

venusinscorpio · 24/01/2017 21:56

Great video Grin

WomanWithAltitude · 24/01/2017 21:52

The people who are affected by the assault on female reproductive rights, by men grabbing their genitals etc are the kind of people who own wombs and vaginas.

Not transwomen. Just plain ordinary women (which includes transmen, who won't be able to identify their way out of needing an abortion).

And these supposed feminists won't let us name the problem? Don't want us to say out loud that it's our sex, our genitalia that cause us to be affected by this stuff? They can fuck right off.

AskBasil · 24/01/2017 21:41
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AskBasil · 23/01/2017 23:04

You know the first thing that occurred to me about that Trump photo?

"Did you just assume their gender?"

Grin

But seriously, if 4 of them identified as women, the liberal press would get very confused.

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venusinscorpio · 23/01/2017 22:56

That's a cross post with yours Xeno, I spent ages writing my post on a fiddly device :)

venusinscorpio · 23/01/2017 22:55

If you remember back in 2012, (can't link anything right now, it's easily googled though), a female legislator in Michigan was banned by male Republicans from speaking after using the word "vagina" (in quite a flippant and provocative way, but making a valid point in her speech) In a debate on a very restrictive abortion bill (introducing prohibitive licensing and insurance requirements and ban all abortions after 20 weeks unless it was necessary to save the woman's life). She was told the word was "offensive" and had "violated the decorum of the House".

As she said afterwards, "if I can't say the word vagina, why are we legislating vaginas? What language should I use?" Which is the crux of the problem, if you don't have the language to name a problem, you can't fight it.

It's funny how similar these right wing and left wing men's tactics are, really.

Xenophile · 23/01/2017 22:31

Well, if we can't talk about our biology, we can't discuss this either:

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-abortion-men_us_5886369be4b0e3a7356a7910

glenthebattleostrich · 23/01/2017 22:31

Would it be doubly insulting to call them a cunt (rude word and transponder language) ?

AskBasil · 23/01/2017 22:29

"It would be pretty hard to fight back against that if one is not allowed to reference said vagina."

That's the idea.

This strand of transactivism absolutely hates women.

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Lessthanaballpark · 23/01/2017 22:25

Of course it's bonkers. Trump's attitude towards the vagina (objectifying and disregarding consent) exemplifies the root of women's oppression throughout history. It would be pretty hard to fight back against that if one is not allowed to reference said vagina.

Elendon · 23/01/2017 17:38

Personally, I hate the word pussy for my genitals, but I'm fine with USains women using it, as they are the one's who face attacks upon their hard won reproductive rights. Who am I to criticise?

However, this bilge from the link above is nonsense. Did the same person speak against slut shaming? Or does the person want to put this into the same category?

Let's be very clear about this. Women's rights in the USA are going to be drastically limited, limited to being just a pussy to grab. I'm not surprised there were so many protesting. I would hate to be a woman living in the USA right now.

PovertyPain · 23/01/2017 13:27

I don't know what that they are complaining about. Trump condones grabbing "pussy" so the woman the they are slating is talking about this "pussy" fights back. They have nothing to worry about, Trump grabs pussy not cock. It doesn't affect transgenders that still have their dick.

PinkIsRad · 23/01/2017 13:02

The level of stupidity is beyond saddening. Don't even know where to being.

TheCrowFromBelow · 23/01/2017 12:49

That link is just utter "all about ME" narcissistic bollocks.

yellowfrog · 23/01/2017 12:41

Thank fuck I found this thread - I saw that bloody post on facebook today and wondered if it was just me that was going mad. What the hell is gender identification anyway? How can you have male genitalia and feel female - how the hell would you know what (if anything) it is to "feel female"? As if there is one "female feeling" anyway - we're not bloody clones FFS.

Notwhatiexpected · 23/01/2017 12:30

I read the article. It was very me centric, immature and wittering. They will have to grow up eventually, and it is going to be a shocker for the author.

What I don't get in this debate, is why, given the socialised gender stereotype of women, is usually second class, compromising, subordinate, putting others first, shutting up and getting on with it etc. Why isn't this the idea of femininity favoured by Transwomen? How come, they get to shout about their rights, their entitlement to what they want, they are allowed to hate feminists who argue for equal rights, but they perform an idea of femininity which wouldn't exist without nasty women like me shouting for it.

Even the self determined Cissy Crossdressers perform an idea of GirlyGirl womanhood which doesn't seem to involve much in the way of compromise. Or being paid less/childcare/cleaning the loo.

Just a thought.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 22/01/2017 20:24

I spend most of the time, reading about the things SOME transactivists and their supporters say, yelling

STUPID FUCKING CUNTS

In my head

I am giving myself a head ache

Even if (BIG IF) someone believes that this 'feel like a woman' is absolutely true can they not see that a group that have been 'women' for a few decades at most have no fucking right to tell women that they have being doing it wrong for the last FEW THOUSAND YEARS

Its rude if nothing else

TammySwansonxx · 22/01/2017 18:55

Feminism centering women - how very dare they?!