Please help me to not hate men

So are conferences about female sexual abusers legitimate or not in your opinion?

As has been pointed out to you, no one said that but the voices in your fevered imagination.

Sillage your outraged response to that litany of male perpetrated horrors is valid - as is pointing out that the majority of sexual violence is committed by men against women.

What is not valid is to suggest that the minority of victims abused by females don't matter as much or should be brushed under the carpet. It's also crass, alienating, negative and pointless to promote hatred of men as a class - as it is to suggest ALL women involved in FGM are in no way responsible for their behaviour.

"Funny that some of them seem to exercise the choice not to do it, and protest against it. "

It's not funny for women to face severe consequences for disobeying the men who refuse to marry uncut daughters while also refusing to let women work jobs where they earn enough to take care of themselves and their children.

Men control marriage and the market, and men have woven it into their culture to let uncut daughters starve to death or become prostitutes, because men don't want to marry uncut girls.

The power you're absurdly attributing to African mothers is power they don't have, hence the tricklings of resistance and men's violent refusals to girls getting educated instead of getting sexually mutilated. Men blow up schools for girls, burn their textbooks, and shoot in the head advocates who want more for girls than rape slavery and domestic servitude.

Male power is to blame for rape. The statistically insignificant number of female rapists (half caught in tandem with rapist men) is not helpful in examining the causes of rape if your actual goal is to reduce rape. No scientist equates the .05% child victims of females with the 99.95% child victims of men if the goal is examining the cause of rape with the intent to prevent it.

Feminists are quite familiar with the knee-jerk defense of male violence kicking quickly to "WOMEN DO IT TOOOOO!" as if it salves their soul to imagine violence as a human trait instead of distinctly male. This here Round 8736476 of that behavioral projection has gone much like the prior rounds.

I know, I know, I'm just like one of the thousands of male child rape tourists in Thailand today for saying that...

Ooh I had a post deleted!!!

I see the post calling me completely off my rocker was allowed to stand though. Daft hysterical women and all that.

As in verbally abusive as well you know. Another response with no substance, at least you are consistent.

I bet Trump would justify his hate policies as 'protecting American interest' by attacking outsiders. Rainbowrd is kindly championing Trump feminism, let's win by being the loudest, dumbest and most hateful!

Abuse? You consider yourself to have been abused? Away you go.

Exactly calamity, feminism as a means to a better world yes, used to fuel hate and actually abuse other women, no.

I see, someone else's comment reveals my opinion that I apparently secretly hold (even though I stated I disagree with this) an misogynistic standpoint that rainbowrd actually expressed.

Rainbowrd as long as you use such language you are perpetuating patriarchy and are no better than those terrible, terrible men.

Op, there are around 26 million males over the age of 18 in the UK.
The majority will be good ones, the same as your husband and sons.
It's natural to be wary, but if you're starting to feel hate against men as a race, that cannot be good for you!

I wouldn't be reluctant to call yourself a feminist on account of this crowd, that's not feminism. I hope no one reading is put off either.

Well don't then. More fool you.

Calamity on this thread we have been treated to such gems as 'I actively hate the patriarchy, and by default I'm afraid that includes men'; told, as you pointed out, that women have no moral responsibility for mutilating a child's genitals; and inferred to that debates surrounding female paedophilia should be actively censored because they distract from male sexual violence.

This thread is exactly why I am reluctant to call myself a feminist these days.

I'm getting tired of the total absence of intelligent debate, the constant misrepresentations

Ok Charlie - go for it then, in order to clarify - answer the questions....

Do you hate men ?

Do you advocate the hating of all men as a reasonable position for a women in 2017 UK society to adopt?

As for the "mis representations" - the word OP clearly says "hate" not "be wary of". Being wary of something or someone is not the same thing as "hating" them. So lets just clear up that mis representation in order that we relieve your apparent exhaustion.

I'm in Scotland - the SNP advise that we should politically separate from the UK so that I get proper representation. English people are benefitting from this arrangement at my expense. They could do something about it but they don't. Should I hate all English people (supposing i believed that to be the case) ? It sounds like I should.

You're wrong to say mothers "enforced" genital mutilation right after acknowledging how mothers are being forced by misogynistic men to carry out their demand.

Jesus christ. Now who's doing the infantilising. Funny that some of them seem to exercise the choice not to do it, and protest against it.

The image you paint of women as hapless victims, blameless agents being controlled and manipulated by men, is very damaging.

That and the argument that any one who does not hate all men is a "handmaiden" !?

Yeah I know. I can read. But someone who agrees with your standpoint said it. I know which is more damaging

Oh my goodness. One poster made a remark you found offensive and that entitles you to weigh in against a completely different poster? HackAttack made a legitimate point about your use of the the term "squealing" and this is the best you can come up with? "She might not have said it but somebody else did"

As for double standards

Male politician makes patronising and condescending remark in an attempt to belittle a woman's argument- terrible.

Feminist repeats same patronising and condescending remark in an attempt to belittle another woman's argument and that's apparently acceptable.

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I understand thats what you believe

Looking into the causes of child abuse so it can be stopped is very important and you obviously (and rightly) feel very strongly about it

Rufus, I believe that was what Sillage was saying in so many words. If a man suggested victims of male abusers should not be spoken for then this is the interpretation that would be rightly applied to him.

I'm getting tired of this bigotry being defended in the name of feminism

I'm getting tired of the total absence of intelligent debate, the constant misrepresentations and the utterly tedious derails.

Yeah I know. I can read. But someone who agrees with your standpoint said it. I know which is more damaging.

Oh, I do apologise. It was 'THE women who spoke up were correct'. Semantically that makes all the difference doesn't it?

It's perfectly simple. Some people (women - and feminists incidentally) responded to what victims of female abusers were telling them by organising a conference to raise awareness of the issue. And you an Sillage are defending the bunch of utter cretins who turned up to shout those women down. It's disgusting and I don't want to hear it.

I dont agree with sillage

I dont know what those women said or how they said it

But you went straight from "they were correct" without even asking her to explain herself to "You said there are ABUSED CHILDREN WHO DO NOT MATTER! You said that."

When she said no such thing.

I've copied the whole post above and it clearly doesn't say 'THOSE WOMEN were right to SPEAK UP'. More misrepresentation.
The only person writing bigotry is you, pretending it's what other posters said. I'm getting tired of that.
I'm not responding to you anymore. I think I've made my point and it's very derailing. Not surprised OP hasn't been back.

Sillage said it was right that they turned up that conference to do that. She said it was right that they 'spoke up' against the conference for 'detracting from the fact that male power was to blame'. In other words they were right to try and shout it down.

She did not say the view of those women that men are to blame for most sexual violence is right, she said that 'THOSE WOMEN were right to SPEAK UP' - at that conference.

I'm getting tired of this bigotry being defended in the name of feminism.