DD and the trans thing. She's really sucked in and not able to see an alternative view

The trans agenda stops being weird as soon as you realise its driven by MRA's. You can see them online gloating about the mess they are creating.

venus

If self identification becomes law with no exceptions, The House of Lords would fill up with women.

I could almost be persuaded to accept the ideology in its entirety just for that.

As far as I know they are retaining these exemptions, but with self identification I don't see how they possibly can. No one would be exempt.

GardenGeek

Don't forget that other Very Important exclusion to the legalising of gender. Primogeniture. If you are a girl and the first born, and you transition to be legally male, you are still not allowed to inherit the title that is reserved for the first born male, nor any of the estate. Can't take that away from the Very Important men.

I'm not a feminist at all but I am totally shocked at all this trans stuff and made sure that dd1 and ds1 (others are too young to take it on board) know that whilst people should be allowed to dress however they chose and wear or not wear make up etc - you can not change sex - it is set before you are born. You can however mutilate your body.

This big Trans agenda thing is weird.

There was a programme on recently were they were discussing knowing they were different young as there favourite colour was pink even though they were born a boy!?! It's a favourite colour FFS.......

Empress, she's a true disciple at the moment. Her older sisters have both changed their views considerably in the past year so I'm hopeful. She's a bright girl but has that absolute conviction of the young.
As regards the bill being brought forward; here in Ireland it has been possible since 2015 to self identify as male/female and to have the birth register ammended to reflect that. I hadn't realised this until I started following this subject here on MN. Up until quite recently I would also have been a staunch trans-allie. Once your eyes are opened though, you can't go back to having them shut. The emperor really has no clothes on!

I hoped that might be pushing it to the point of absurdity.

Sadly, she might agree @Empress

Tell her that the mere idea of changing biological sex, regardless of the practicalities, is transphobic. Transwomen are born biological women, right down to their ladypenises, and only a horrible TERF would imply otherwise.

Ask her if she thinks we should get rid of women's sport entirely.

I just had a heated discussion with dd(16) who clearly thinks I'm a hopeless bigot. She was defending the right of MtT athletes to compete in women's events because "it's wrong to punish them for how they were born" she's also completely sold on the idea that it's possible to change your biological sex.
*Bangs head off wall

Finally a UK petition re Gender Identity Bill : citizengo.org/en-gb/pc/41304-say-not-dangerous-gender-identity-bill?tc=fb&tcid=32808372

from me too, things and family.

things

It sounds to me as though you are doing exactly the right thing by your child.

We've heard many times on these threads from parents such as you who are left high and dry unless they want to go down the medical route.

And, as far as I'm concerned, you are the first person to use the term sex dysphoria as opposed to gender dysphoria, because that is what it is. It is distress with your biology/sex.

I hope you hang around and update us. It was listening to a parent of another trans child that made me think far more deeply about the issue. It's easy to get sidetracked over the ridiculousness of, as you say three year olds being trans. But the issue of sex dysphoria is real and needs addressing.

from me too.

thing and company

Thank you everyone

Sense, we also don't trust the medical profession on gender identity cases nowadays. They're all too quick to push you down the trans route. DS doesn't have a gender identity counsellor, just a 'normal' one to help him work out his feelings. He's so much happier than he's ever been but does find the whole trend a bit insulting. He used to have mental breakdowns caused by the sex dysphoria, and there are now apparently 3 year olds who are trans because they like dolls? Makes no sense.

things son I am normally a lurker on these threads but after reading your words I have to pop up to say how mature you sound and to wish you all the best

Thanks thingsaregettingstranger 's DS - I wish you all happiness and I know Magdalen will be very pleased with your comments

Things - thank your DS's for his contribution - it is a relief to hear from a sane person! I am struggling with my DD's gender difficulties but I do also know that there are some people who are transsexual and who do benefit from transitioning. I also know that the human brain isn't fully mature until around age 25, so without external pressure or other mental health problems, I would not have the difficulties I am having with my DD if that is what she needs for a fulfilling life. The trouble is that all she has now is external pressure, inflexible thinking and mental health problems, and I can't trust the medical profession to give her the space and time she needs.

JJ - a lot unsubstantiated statements based on unproven facts can be attributed to transactivists. The often stated face that puberty blockers for trans teens is totally safe and reversible is one such 'fact'. There's no long term study of the use in puberty blockers in children. They know there's no really dangerous side effects whilst they're taken, but no studies have been done to see if there are trends of late emerging side effects. They started this study in 2015 in America and it's still only running for 5 years -

And here's an article where Drs admit they're basically experimenting on children -

The drugs used in this country have depression as a side effect, how can it be proved that it's the dysphoria causing depression or the very drugs they've been put on to ease their discomfort exacerbating suicidal thoughts.

There are so many unsubstantiated trans facts that we are supposed to take as gospel. My liberal parents encouraged us to question everything, and I'm so glad they did. Questioning, debate and sharing ideas is how humans have managed to achieve so much, blindly following others leads to nothing

I also have a 15 year old dd who is a lesbian and shares her brothers' opinions. Both good kids and the only ones in their school not being sucked into this ideology. Dd has short hair and a small chest and is often bullied for being a 'tranny' because 'being gay is a genetic defect' she stands by herself though, which makes me proud.

Few typos there, sorry