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Transwoman nominated for Best Female Solo Artist at Brits

38 replies

roseshippy · 16/01/2017 01:46

Anohni, formerly Antony of Antony & The Johnsons, has a previous nomination as best Male:

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/brit-awards-2017-anohni-nominated-9622973

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DoctorDonnaNoble · 16/01/2017 09:21

No. Not because they're 'sexy'. I don't like that myself but that's irrelevantly. My problem with today's girl groups is they show one way to be a girl with slightly different haircuts. At least the Spice Girls didn't do that.

Beachcomber · 16/01/2017 09:00

I personally feel there are born female acts who are more damaging to notion of 'what is woman' than this particular artist.

Shock

What because they are expected to wear hardly any clothes and act sexy? And lots of them do. Because sexism.

QueenLaBeefah · 16/01/2017 08:34

They are our new female overlords and we must bow down to them. We can stick to the drudgery and they will have the awards, well paid jobs and sparkly frocks.

JigglyTuff · 16/01/2017 08:31

Yes it was. But rather than fighting that, it's much easier to just occupy women's space because no one needs to listen to us.

DoctorDonnaNoble · 16/01/2017 07:53

She has a point though. In the gay community, historically, 'she' was used to denigrate feminine gay men by some.

ChocChocPorridge · 16/01/2017 07:47

She has identified as transgender since childhood but “cowardice and shame” prevented her from asking people to call her “she”. “‘She’ used to make my skin crawl,” she says now. “Within a gay context it can be used very snidely: to contain trans people and to denigrate other men. But working and socialising with women, and doing [campaign group] Future Feminism, empowered me in the feminine, and I could accept that it was OK to be the way I am. But I don’t feel emphatically female, it’s more subtle than that.”

from Guardian

I do find it offensive that being 'she' is seen as shameful, used to denigrate. I do find it unfair, that despite 'not feeling emphatically female' and despite being male, the nominating committee of the Brits has seen fit to nominate them in the women's category.

DoctorDonnaNoble · 16/01/2017 07:43

This particular artist is not a 'new' bandwagon jumper as it were. I believe the process was being undergone during the Antony and the Johnsons days.
I genuinely feel it is different of someone is transitioning or if it is just self-identifying.
Quite frankly some years nominees in both male and female for the Brits have been absolute shite anyway. What album would you want in its place?
Music isn't the same as sport. Unless we're talking about castratti men don't have an inherent technical advantage over women. I personally feel there are born female acts who are more damaging to notion of 'what is woman' than this particular artist.
I agree with the concept that there is something odd going on with the 'transing' of non-conforming children, but we're not dealing with a TRA here. It's definitely not as simple an issue as the TRAs would have it but nor is at as simple as some on the Feminist pages here would have it. I know some of you will think that I should turn in my feminist badge but believe I have thought my opinion through and I just happen to disagree with you.

ChocChocPorridge · 16/01/2017 07:15

Intresting how traswomen often recieve womens awards yet transmen are not recieving male awards.

Clearly it's just that men are better. Better at being men, better at being women, just all round more wonderful and we should just get back in the kitchen and make dinner, look after the kids, and tidy up.

QueenLaBeefah · 16/01/2017 07:07

This is just so depressing.

MrsJamin · 16/01/2017 07:02

Ugh. So bloody maddening. He's not a woman and shouldn't be eligible for that award.

Beachcomber · 16/01/2017 07:00

And whether he wins or not, one less woman has been nominated. Being nominated is quite a big deal in and of itself.

Ouriana · 16/01/2017 01:58

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RacoonBandit · 16/01/2017 01:55

Oh joy. So an award aimed at women could go to a man. Angry

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