The effect of porn on teenage boys and young men

We need firm concrete legal action now.

I agree. But like what?

growapear nobody is telling boys not to wank. They're just saying that their wanking should not be facilitated by industries which exploit and degrade women (and some men) and create untold misery. Your right to wank is not what this is about.

Lots of women do post videos of themselves. Sometimes their boyfriends post videos of them without their knowledge. Sometimes they're underage and what boys are wanking to technically child porn.

In fact sometimes boys themselves are victims when videos of them end up being circulated online. A boy at a school I worked at tried to hang himself when a video of him was uploaded to a porn site.

The whole thing is rancid and should be banned tomorrow.

It absolutely meets the definition of hate speech and I see no other realistic avenue.

Once you explain how you are going to persuade the many women who make porn for nothing (see qweryts post - but i suppose you ignore it) that they are not allowed to anymore. Perhaps you might explain how you would technically achieve it ? Exactly wtf is "realistic" about any of the nonsense you are posting ?

DeviTheGaelet, I don't mean to be pessimistic and or negative and I'm pretty sure I get the feeling behind your OP and IMO it is great that you have started this thread as a discussion of what pornography does.

Decades and much energy have been spent in trying to get men to own what pornography does and what it is. So far that has been met with resistance and dishonesty. We need firm concrete legal action now. This thing has got way out of hand. It absolutely meets the definition of hate speech and I see no other realistic avenue. We need something radical that cuts off all derailment and bluster about moralistic prudishness and vacuous crap about it being women's fault / something women do too.

I have no interest in whether you think I am a literal wanker or not, however I know a lot more about male sexuality that you do. telling boys not to wank and that they should be ashamed of themselves for looking at naked pictures that girls post of themselves because it's hate speech is utterly fucking bizzare. Ban all porn because i saw a few videos that called the women a whore.

Rufus - you are right in where i got the idea from. I am sure that i've even read on here that women who use a vibrator too much are unable to orgasm without it. So apparently no women ever has had this problem - well fuck me that's something ?

As for studies that suggest any man who watches porn is likely to be damaged and struggle to form relationships with women, well they're wrong.

I think you are being generous rufus

Its a fault

Porn networks have interwoven into Facebook, Youtube, Tumblr and all these other platforms. Porn is no longer a discrete domain of the internet but more and more another facet of social media.

Not saying any of that is a good thing btw. I think it's messed up.

Thank you helen

How, in 2016, do we even define porn anymore?

If someone sends another person a racy video of themselves, is that classifiable as porn?

There is a book out at the moment called 'Future Sex' by an American journalist called Emily Witt. It's conclusions are liberal bullshit but it's enlightening nonetheless.

Witt has something of a mid-life crisis and embarks on an exploration of sex-tech subcultures in California. She speaks to people who create their own porn for a site called Chaturbate (the Uber of the porn world) which they can make money from. But she also finds people, including women, who create and upload their own porn for nothing - purely because they got off on making a sexual exhibition of themselves. Ultimately, she claims to find liberation in cybersex.

The book does consist of a lot of tedious hippie navel gazing, but it does make you aware of a the emergence of a completely different kind of porn which breaks with all our preconceptions about how a porn industry should work.

There are three domains to the porn world, although they all overlap. Firstly there is the trade in sex-trafficking which feeds the market for illegal material (child abuse, bestiality, snuff). This will be run by the mafia and other criminal organisations. Then there is the legal domain of material which customers are charged for in the old-fashioned way - pay per view porn sites and sites which men can masturbate on web cam to prostitutes.

Then there is the Porn 2.0 domain of open platforms in which anyone can publish anything. User-gnerated content is increasingly dominating these sites. Couples and singles make homemade videos in which there are no directors, producers or middle men at all. Of course whatever capitalist pig owns Pornhub is making huge amounts of money whenever a video is clicked on, but less and less money is changing hands on the production and distribution level in the way it once did.

That's interesting, because this is not just some evil porn studios making films - but ordinary people making porn of themselves with their phones.

Would never shout at you, Rufus!

I think, and apologies if i am wrong grow, that he has put the "some woman find it difficult to orgasm through piv sex" bit together with the "if men watch too much porn they cant orgasm" bit

When the two "lack of being able to orgasm" things are completely and utterly different

Not defending him but i can see how his brain is 'working'

Unless i am completely wrong and then everyone will yell at me and i will have to leave the thread

Nothing.

Since Shere Hite, Masters and Johnson et al, clitoral stimulation rather than purely vaginal has been shown to be an important part of the female orgasm for many women.

What the heck has this got to do with vibrators?

It's an utterly bizarre point. What does it have to do with anything?

Nope i see what grow is doing

Adding two and two and getting five

I think I prefer my solution as having pornography recognized as hate speech and working under the well established wide reaching and well recognised definitions of what hate speech is and why and how it must be countered. Precedents have been set for dealing with this type of phenomenon - let's learn from them and utilize them.

What's wrong with you ?

I'm giving you my opinion which is that making out porn is harmful and will make men unable to have orgasms with a female sexual partner isn't going to work. I cite as evidence no one rushing to ban female masturbatory aids that a lot of women can't orgasm without. That is all.

I don't think you can ban it. Ask any of the famous mainstream female porn starts (the only one who's name I know is Gina Hartley ?) and I'm sure they'll tell you it's all grand.

All you can try to do is make it socially unacceptable in the way it used to be regarded as something for dirty old men in grubby coats. That seems unlikely to happen. You already get gratuitously violent films that don't have sex in them, they are marketed for adults only etc. Men regard it as an outlet, there are women apparently happy to make it, and men enjoy watching them get naked - your best bet is to make them feel ashamed that they like watching naked women - but good luck with that one. The only thing that I could see working is if you could persuade men that ALL porn involved trafficked women who are being raped on camera. But go on reddit for example and you'll see something that i think looks nothing like that.

I just don't see how you can expect to persuade a 14 year old boy that he should be feeling guilty about looking at the pictures those girls are posting of their tits on reddit etc. He just wont tell his mum or dad - he'll still look at it.

This study sounds like the modern version of the old hairy palm and short sighted type warnings.

I can't imagine men could ban vibrators because they give a false expectation of the length and girth of penises and many women apparently can't orgasm without them. So it all has to be about the abuse and objectification i.e. the effect on the women rather than the effect on men.

DeviTheGaelet, yes I guess we are going to have to be pragmatic but we have the right to be annoyed.

Consuming (often compulsively) violent and sexist graphic material is not benign. What a shocker.

Question is what are men actually going to do about this monster they have created? Perhaps the men on this thread have ideas? There certainly is going to be plenty for them to do and IMO it will need to be all hands on deck. There's a lot of money in porn and a lot of resistance by consumers to the idea that pornography is harmful.

I guess I just hope he doesnt look at it.

He does or he will. He may or may not want to but some 'mate' will show him some.