British 'man' becomes pregnant

Thank you qwerty

Not having a pop, it just seemed to contradict everything i had read previously

Yes I'd read that one Rufus.

I admit I was wrong to blithely assert that women are just as likely to kill their children. The evidence seems more conflicting and complex that that.

It seems it rather depends on the maltreatment in question - because when it comes to severe maltreatment, it's men (end of page 10)

^Although a substantial amount of child maltreatment was also perpetrated by female parents or guardians, adult males were the most frequently reported perpetrators of severe maltreatment in
the family. In the subsample of participants who reported severe physical violence by a parent or guardian, males were perpetrators in 86.4 per cent of cases reported for the under 11s, in
72.9 per cent for the 11-17s and 64.7 for the 18-24 year old age group.^

I might also add, that I didn't read that this was weighted by how much time children spent in the care of each sex. For example, if of a sample of 100 abused children, 10 children were abused by men and 90 by women, but only 20 of those hundred kids lived with men, then it would paint a rather different picture wouldn't it? (An extreme example, it's not going to be skewed that far) - since women are much more likely to be looking after kids day in, day out, if everything else was equal, we'd expect more abuse from women wouldn't we? We have more opportunity.

I might also mention that whilst right now my 6 year old wouldn't stand a chance, give him until he's 11 and he won't have any trouble restraining me (although, yes, again, persistent offenders will have cowed their victims)

And father is different from boyfriend that the mums only known for 6 weeks

And (really cant be bothered to look myself) do the figures for mothers include infanticide

I dont see much difference myself but i know that some women have severe problems following the birth of their children

It's based on something else.

Do you think that women give an actual fuck that violent, abusive, murdering, raping, trafficking, controlling, exploitative, misogynistic, women hating and destroying men didn't have it in them "when they were lying in their cots"??

No, of course not. I did not suggest they did. I am not excusing these men one iota. I am saying that men are not born more violent than women.

I'm talking about why men are more violent than women. If you want to get into moral judgment then that's a different issue.

I could also proffer lots of explanations as to why men become terrorists. That does not mean I excuse their actions by attempting to explain them. I'm sure people historians who have written books about the factors that led to the rise of Hitler were not attempting to morally excuse the holocaust in doing so.

If you do want my moral opinion, I don't care how much these men have been corrupted by their society: if they hadn't blown their own brains out I would be quite happy to have seen them put up against a wall.

"Because of issues surrounding reporting and cultural prejudices there is no real way of knowing. "

So, you think it's higher, because that suits your argument, or based on something else?

Sorry to hear that, qwerty.

Cross post

Overall, fathers were significantly more likely to kill their children than mothers, and were more likely to use violent methods of killing, have previous convictions for violent offences, perpetrate multiple killings, and have a history of substance misuse or dependence.

I am rubbish at linking but it was from the university of manchester

My browser history is going to look very suspect if anything (god forbid) happens to my family

My mother beat me, for what that's worth.

It's complicated. I've found this which concludes that women are more likely to maltreat younger children (under 11's) while men are slightly more likely to maltreat older children.

childhub.org/sites/default/files/library/attachments/1323_child_abuse_neglect_research_PDF_wdf84181_original.pdf

Obviously, some forms of child abuse are more more gendered. The majority of CSA is committed by men, though reports of female perpetrated CSA have increased vastly over recent years. The reported prevalence of female perpetrated CSA varies widely, from 6 to 20% of victims. Because of issues surrounding reporting and cultural prejudices there is no real way of knowing.

As for filicide, I do admit I was a bit off the mark there. The best meta-analysis I could find (below) is all over the place.

www.dewar4research.org/docs/chom.pdf

Some of studies referred to seem to show higher maternal than paternal filicide, and others vice versa. From what I've read it does seem to be the case that maternal perpetrators account for more deaths of younger children while fathers are overwhelmingly responsible for the deaths of older ones. And fathers are more likely to use more violent methods such as stabbing and beating while women are more likely to poison, smother or drown their children.

I will reassure her that "he didn't have it in him when he was lying in his cot"

Sorry, failed to preview due to being distracted by apoplectic cushion arsonery.

I think the next time I encounter a woman whose partner kicks the shit out of her or rapes her or financially abuses her or emotionally controls and abuses her and who terrifies and terrorizes her, who gaslights her and who has destroyed her self-esteem that "he didn't have it in him when he was lying in his cot" - that will help her no end. NOT.

FFS

Is it possible to be any more vacuous and whitewashing? (Rhetorical question I suspect it is if previous posts are anything to go by.)

"when women do have a physical advantage over others they are no less likely than men to be violent towards them"

Yes, that is evident in how large women beat up smaller women all the time.

Oh wait.

UK STATISTICS
The Reality in the UK today:
One woman in four will experience domestic violence at some point in her life.
Domestic violence has more repeat victims than any other crime (on average there will have been 35 assaults before a victim calls the police).
Two women are murdered every week by their partner or ex partner.
One incident of domestic violence is reported to the police every minute.
One woman in four will experience sexual assault as an adult.
Only 5% of rapes reported to the police result in the perpetrator being convicted in court.
Women are more worried about rape than any other crime.
250 cases of forced marriage are reported each year.
Up to 1,420 women per year are trafficked into the UK for sexual exploitation
One woman a month is murdered in the name of ‘so called’ honour.
Nearly 90% of local authorities do not have a rape crisis centre.
Over 20,000 girls could be at risk of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) in the UK.

INTERNATIONAL STATISTICS
It is estimated that a woman born in South Africa has a greater chance of being raped than learning how to read .
In Lithuania 20 to 50% of those sexually exploited through prostitution are believed to be minors. Children as young as age11 are known to have been prostituted.
Every year, 2 million girls between the ages of 5 and 15 are coerced, abducted, sold or trafficked into the illegal sex market.
2 million females are killed before of at birth simply because of their sex.
One woman dies every minute from pregnancy related causes, most of which are preventable.
It is estimated that one in every three women has been beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abuse in her lifetime.
Among women aged 15-44 years, gender-based violence accounts for more death and disability than the combined effects of cancer, malaria, traffic accidents and war.

Do you think that women give an actual fuck that violent, abusive, murdering, raping, trafficking, controlling, exploitative, misogynistic, women hating and destroying men didn't have it in them "when they were lying in their cots"??

I mean any women other than perhaps their mothers?

I already posted a link to this but lets actually read what these poor innocent men grow up to do and about the violence they inflict on girls and women.

As I've said before, the fact that men have greater muscle mass than women and penises is salient. Of course it is. But that doesn't mean they have, in general, more innately violent personalities

It seems to me that that's rather irrelevant - if they are innately stronger, then even if we were socialised to have equally violent personalities, men would still have more power because of their size no? And practically, that's what matters.

But these men were not born with that status, or that violence. They acquired it. It was not in them as they lay in their cots.

And there is no reason why the power structure that in part created them will always exist.

Except that, as you agree, they are bigger (even in their cots actually!), they will always be bigger, so the power balance will always be skewed in their direction at the most basic level. All else being equal, their violence will always be more damaging. Socially, we have tried to counter that with rules like "don't hit girls" and the whole 'gentleman' thing, but that power imbalance will always be there.

And the link rufus requested?

Not so likely to be family annhiliators. Why is that?

Or mass shooting events.

That probably does have something to do with socialisation. Traditionally a man's status is closely connected with his position as head of the family. Some men will destroy their families along with themselves because they cannot bear the thought of their families continuing without them - without being owned by them. Or something like that. I would have thought.

And when some kid runs amok in a US High School it's often because some girl didn't go to the prom with him. Male entitlement at its most evil extreme.

But these men were not born with that status, or that violence. They acquired it. It was not in them as they lay in their cots.

And there is no reason why the power structure that in part created them will always exist.

"Women are at least as likely as men to kill or maltreat their children, for example

Ive never heard that

Do you have a link

"Women are at least as likely as men to kill or maltreat their children, for example."

Not so likely to be family annhiliators. Why is that?

Given gun availability in the US, for one, how relevant is physicality in murder?