British 'man' becomes pregnant

"I don't see it will ever be possible to empirically isolate innate determinants of brain development from environmental ones"

You don't see =/= Is not.

There are studies on newborn male & female babies that show innate differences. Again, scholar.google.com would be useful if you care to seek enlightment.

Investigating sex differences in human brain structure and cognitive development is challenging because humans are a socially influenced species, making it difficult to tease apart the effects of environmental influences from biological contributions.

Exactly. I don't see it will ever be possible to empirically isolate innate determinants of brain development from environmental ones. The concept of neuroplasticity, if it is legitimate, renders any such distinction meaningless.

Shon Feye came across as absolutely idiotic!

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It's very disturbing. No mention of gender dysphoria. And she becomes confused about whether she wants to transition into a boy or a girl. And then looks uncomfortable and worried about surgery. And being photographed and feted for being trans. FFS.

I sincerely hope this documentary brings up the facts surrounding the trans-ideology. Shon Feye said something about it not being a fad or a fashion (can't quite remember the wording) I wonder how she squares that with a poster on here where five girls came out as trans the same time in her daughters class.

Jesus I'm just watching the clip on Newsnight - 'I didn't like being a boy, I didn't like the games or the hairstyles'.

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Give the gall a break ... the idea of a virgin birth worked wonders for one major world religion.

Now, about that bridge ...

Meanwhile, I'm not sure that there is neurophysiological evidence for very much at all. Brain science is still developing.

WE have one article, for example, by a duo, one of whom is the aptly named 'Dick Swaab' that claims that even paedophilia is determined in-utero.

journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1073858410377005

Another 2015 chapter, by a Randi Ettner, concludes that,

"The etiology of gender identity, typical and atypical, presently remains unknown. However, the mounting evidence for a biological basis is compelling. No doubt the next decade will bring new data that elucidates the complexities of identity formation and amplifies understanding of the transsexual phenomenon".

A 2017 paper by Bramble et al notes that

"Evidence provided from the rodent model has laid the groundwork for our understanding of how in utero hormonal milieu and chromosomal composition influence brain development and contribute to generating observed sex differences. Unfortunately, similar research in humans in adequate depth is lacking from a biological standpoint. Investigating sex differences in human brain structure and cognitive development is challenging because humans are a socially influenced species, making it difficult to tease apart the effects of environmental influences from biological contributions."

In other words - there is little evidence and the jury is out.

I hope the programme is going to be shown. There was a petition calling for it not to be shown until "gender experts" had had a chance to censor review it

There is a programme on BBC tonight at 9 o'clock tonight about the transing of children and the ethics involved. As far as I know it's the first mainstream programme giving an opposing view to the generally accepted trans party line.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

Shona Feye and Ray Blanchard were on Newsnight last night talking about it.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b088k0mb/newsnight-11012017

It's at 33.45 towards the end. Makes interesting watching.

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If you advance search kim147, you might find the article; I think it was a link from Kim.

IIRC, it was a theory, supported by some studies, that the environment of the womb might be a factor in the development of sex dysphoria (which I think is a more accurate description than gender dysphoria).

I consider it possible that an environmental factor like this might influence brain receptor growth that in turn could influence an individual's comfort with their own body (as maternal nutrition influences ultimate height, say).

Note: a factor; I doubt, even if more studies supported the influence, that all trans people would be found to have had the same womb environment and that no non-trans people did.

It in no way said there were girl brains and boy brains, IIRC.

Black Cabbies rather.
Taxi drivers all use Sat-Nav now so their brains are probably half asleep

You cannot tell the sex of a person by looking at the brain.
Adults develop different brain structures through life, such as addicts have a more active amagdala, taxi drivers have a more active area...
But I gather generally the sexed brain thing is debunked.

Morons. Sorry to be blunt, but surely nobody with half a brain would believe transwomen (i.e. without female reproduction organs) can have periods or grow a baby in non-existent wombs.

Even preteen DD who knows nothing about sex knows that periods come from an internal organ that girls have, where babies can be made.

Some people do seem to be quite ignorant about human biology/reproduction. I have seen people online wondering whether tw have periods or not, or asserting it's possible to carry a baby to term without a uterus 😳

"stories about a man being pregnant and a unmarried girl being pregnant due to some hormonal changes while some blood transfer process"

You believed that women (and even men) got pregnant from blood transfusions?

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Sorry user

Do you mean brain development or men being pregnant?

slithy

From what ive read on previous threads thats not how fetal brain development works

But i coukd be wrong which is why i want to check

Happy to believe in it as a theory which i Think it is, i dont believe that its medical fact

And it does mean that there are girl brains and boy brains which i thought had, again, not been 'proved'

So if the brain develops as female, does that mean the brain thinks it is in a body with a vagina, and it's that contradiction which creates transpeople?

Because that is very very biological and while I'm sure that's the case for a minority of trans people, I imagine a great deal of it is 'gender' and sex-based stereotypes (otherwise known as gender!)

That's an interesting point. It all comes down to the question of whether biological 'sex' determines 'gender' or not. I've only ever known ever known one trans person - a housemate who was female when I moved in and male by the time I moved out. I only think of 'him' as a man now - because he looks and sounds like one - but if 'he' became pregnant then that would be incredibly odd and I don't know what I'd think then.

Can gender ever be completely divorced from sex? That is the key question. I am a man, and am stronger than many women. I'm sure if I walked about surrounded by a physically stronger 50% of the population who could penetrate my body and make me pregnant, then that would make me think differently about my self and them. As a man I will go to my grave not knowing what that is like.

But does someone's biological sex inevitably make them 'masculine' or 'feminine' - or having conventionally masculine of feminine traits? No, Imo.

So this guy is not a biological man, but his gender identity is open to question.

It all comes down to whether you think gender and biological sex can be separated.

I do think it would've been better to have carried on using sex when we meant male/female instead of people trying to avoid the word and use gender...

Friend of a friend had to make a call during chemo whether to get her eggs frozen or to combine them into zygotes - which had a better success rate - with a fairly recent partner before freezing (and risk that he would be gone by the time in question).

I think this was on the NHS, but may be restricted to life saving treatments.

Slithy, I'm sure this person could have frozen eggs privately, but presumably post any hormonal or surgical transition, it wouldn't be possible for the womb of this person to nourish a foetus.

It is difficult for me to get my head round the idea that someone who feels they are a man and wishes to undergo gender reassignment also has such a compelling urge to bear their own child that they felt this was their only option, given that men don't bear children. It all sounds very fucked up and incredibly sad.

Seems as though that might be a good thing to include as part of the genital reassignment surgery package.

Is it included as part of other treatment that might affect fertility though e.g. Chemo? Seems unfair if not.