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Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/01/2017 08:09

Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

The blurb:

Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

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Aliasnumberone · 12/01/2017 00:04

I did exactly the same thing mortificados!

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 11/01/2017 21:19

I've been a day out all week this week. I went looking for this at 9pm and got cross because it wasn't on, thinking it had been pulled after all. Then I remembered that it wasn't Thursday....

Fairyflaps · 10/01/2017 20:40

I'm sure it's only the blurb that has been edited - not the programme

VincentAmSpartacus · 10/01/2017 19:18

Agree with needing to take a very thorough look on the impact on and targetting of lesbians, including the sexual harassment and coercion aimed at lesbians in the name of 'trans inclusivity' as well. The Zucker story is interesting but it also feels like another example of 'it only matters when it hurts a man'.

Beachcomber · 10/01/2017 18:43

I agree we do need a documentary like that. I would really like something with lots of lesbian input about the corrective nature of transgenderism and how it is erasing young lesbians.

Having said that, I googled Zucker and his, the clinics and the patients' story sounds like it really needs to be heard.

This is long but mighty interesting.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html

VincentAmSpartacus · 10/01/2017 18:32

I think it is a shame that Zucker is a focus for this documentary. The blurb asks good questions but I would be far more interested in a documentary exploring the impact on women and girls of the trans activist agenda, including the loss of women only spaces (inc sports, awards, roles on professional bodies which were reserved for women, etc) and the redefinition of 'woman' to include men when they demand it; the problems with collecting accurate data by sex if we have to refer to violence committed by men as 'violence by women' and male bodies as 'women's bodies' when those men demand to be called women; uncovering for a TV audience the reality and extent of trans identifying males harassment and violence against women and girls, including the many, many events and ways that feminist and women's orgs (and individuals) have been targetted, harassed and silenced by gangs of trans activists using threatening and dishonest campaigns against them.

VincentAmSpartacus · 10/01/2017 18:13

The BBC page lists the director as John Conroy, wondering if it is this person: www.johnconroy.co.uk/about/
"I am an award winning, BAFTA nominated self-shooting Producer/Director with extensive experience making documentaries in Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Canada, Colombia, India, Rwanda, Somalia, South Africa, the UK and the USA for broadcast television. Experienced in hostile environments and filming with advanced camera platforms."

His list of previous documentaries is pretty impressive.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 10/01/2017 17:22

Is it possible to re-edit it within such a short time frame? I imagined it would be pretty complex to edit a tv show, record the narrative etc? Maybe they've just updated the blurb in order to point out that they've not just spoken to Dr Zucker?

Beachcomber · 10/01/2017 16:11

Unfortunately we will have no way of knowing if they put it out as is or if they tinker with it to make it more trans compliant.

Hopefully it will be as interesting as it sounds.

I have no wish for anyone involved in it to be subject to trans harassment but if there is an outcry from TRAs then I hope it is a peak trans opportunity for lots of people.

FloraFox · 10/01/2017 16:06

I wouldn't be surprised if this was re-edited. The BBC are very much toeing the line on trans ideology.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/01/2017 15:59

I think I pasted it all Hmm I wonder if they have re-edited the programme too...

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Fairyflaps · 10/01/2017 15:43

Itsallgoingtobefine
Did you paste all the blurb in your introductory bit in your opening post?
If so a new bit has been added (possibly in response to criticism):
"This documentary examines Zucker's methods, but it also includes significant contributions from his critics and supporters of gender affirmation, including transgender activists in Canada and leading medical experts as well as parents with differing experiences of gender dysphoria and gender reassignment"
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

Peaceloving · 10/01/2017 12:32

Is there a way to show support for the programme to contrarrest the change.org? I'm thankful for alternative views to the trans activists celebratory bit. It is difficult to talk about this, but so far it has been appalling indoctrination everywhere.

HermioneWeasley · 08/01/2017 16:24

I'm delighted that the harmful approach is finally being discussed, but shocked that ththe BBC with its unashamed pro trans stance would broadcast anything other than uncritical support

Amandahugandkisses · 08/01/2017 16:22

I hope it's shown

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 08/01/2017 16:19

When you hear jounos etc talking about working at the beeb and the stifling regulatory/compliance culture and how it harshes their creative mellow, I amgine the lawyers will have already reviewed the hell out of this documentary & framed the narrative extremely carefully. It's just a question of whether they've got the cojones to put an alternative view to the prevailing 'everything is awesome' trans orthodoxy.

To be honest, I'd forgotten all about the legal battle that family had had regarding their disabled daughter and puberty blockers a few years ago until it was mentioned on another thread recently. In light of that, it is absolutely gobsmacking that there is so little debate about the ethics of giving healthy children puberty blockers.

BBCNewsRave · 08/01/2017 15:40

I hope they show it. Is there anything we can do?
Are there risks to them for broadcasting it? Other than lots of publicity?

Sabistick · 08/01/2017 10:17

"t is the great big cuckoo in the lgbt nest.....". Very well put Dame, totally agree.

Northernlurker · 08/01/2017 10:05

I read an article about this in the pink news . The comments section is epic. "Radical feminists who don't accept trans women as women are misogynistic.....most radical feminists actually do accept trans women as it's an essential part of feminist theory....." total through the looking glass nonsense.
For the benefit of any trans activist reading - this radical feminist does not agree with you.

DameDeDoubtance · 08/01/2017 08:36

They are showing their true colours now, this coupled with no platforming anyone who doesn't tow the trans line. I just hope people take notice. It's like T is a great big cuckoo in the LGBT nest, with L being pushed out.

WankingMonkey · 08/01/2017 02:28

Ie. Should not be broadcast until watered down to sugar coat the actual dangers of puberty blockers and must not mention real stats that say the huge majority of those with 'GID' who are left alone grow up to be simply gay adults...whereas those shoved onto blockers...100% of them go onto further 'transition'

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 08/01/2017 02:16

Found it. Not entirely sure what they are petitioning for.

Petition · BBC: 'Transgender Kids: Who Knows Best?' should not be broadcast until reviewed by experts · Change.org
www.change.org/p/bbc-transgender-kids-who-knows-best-should-not-be-broadcast-until-reviewed-by-experts

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 08/01/2017 02:13

Can you link to the petition? I don't want to sign it but would like to see it. Thanks

Tartyflette · 07/01/2017 19:05

Lots of bollocks on the Change.Org petition to have it reviewed before broadcast, some of which seems pretty defamatory to me (about the expert in the prog) so I hope the Beeb might disregard take it with a big pinch of salt.

Seachangeshell · 07/01/2017 19:00

Surely the petition won't have any effect though as it's partly about an expert who's been pressured into silence by the political transagenda. I hope not anyway. It also sounds like they've tried to go for some element of balance by inviting people with opposing views.