Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

Got it on. 2 minutes in and already I have the rage. Gender stereotypes abound aaarrggggg

There's a clip on Twitter from the show.

Shon who was the transwoman debating against Blanchard wrote this piece for the guradian in 2014, declaring themselves to be a gay man who likes to wear makeup. Fair enough.... Not sure a huge amount has changed tbf

www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/dec/06/my-life-in-makeup

News night programme from last night isn't available any more, I'm wondering the same as illegitimate. Maybe libel issues or maybe 'hate speech' accusation if Ray Blanchard was on... Let's face it Blanchard is responsible for 'literal violence and the deaths of trans people', I'm sure there were transactivists having conniptions that Ray got any air time at all regardless of what was actually said.

That article is awful. From what I've read it is clear that Zucker was fired for political reasons not for medical ethics.

It is quite weird reading some of the pro transing children views - they blandly talk about supporting children and respecting their struggle with no mention that what they mean by that is a road of extreme medicalization of healthy bodies, sterilization, mutilation and telling a child that they can change biological sex. And then with a staggering lack of sense of irony and selfawareness they call Zucker's approach abusive!

So mutilating, sterilizing and lying to children is supporting them and helping them to figure out if they are really trans (whatever that is, there is no scientific or ethically sound consensus), homosexual or confused whilst being cautious about harmful medicalization is abusing them.

WTAF.

hmm - perfectly normal newsnight stuff to me - both had plenty to say and said it - hopefully it will be back on later, after the programme.

I've just tried to watch the Newsnight episode on iPlayer and there's a message saying it's not available at the mo. I wonder if there have been libel issues/legal problems in light of what PP have said above. I'll try through our cable catch-up later.

All to be - I have seen that sort of thing happen in the HRT debate in the Telegraph and the Mail. It happened before the new NICE guidelines were issued - the telegraph did an article about the person who did the million women study which was very anti, then the next day when the guidelines were issued, it was a complete about face. I think they are picking up press releases (which will be flying around), so if things change when the programme is shown, they can go with it, and point to that to show they have been 'impartial'.

Great- thanks so much for posting that newsnight clip. I'm looking forward to seeing the doc tonight.

I am not involved in the transgender debate, but I watched the Newsnight article, and what Blanchard said at the end (just before he was cut off) sums it up for me.

And yet they want 'experts' to look at the documentary before it's aired!

This whole thing is making me so angry and frustrated and worried.

I had really better leave my phone in another room while I watch this, as Twitter will go mad and I will have drunk wine...

I really really hope this documentary will have some effect. Not too optimistic though.

Tweets like 'who knows best about trans people? TRANS PEOPLE' last night suggest a neat dovetailing with having 'had enough of experts'.

Guardian article here

I'm sure nobody else will be surprised to learn that Susie Green of Mermaids is denouncing this documentary in the Guardian today...

Going to watch this tonight. Hoping it's the start of media coverage that will take a broader look at trans issues and children.

Transmedia watch are shitting themselves on Twitter about it.

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I was thinking the same thing. She reiterated it on her Twitter feed. And she says she's a lawyer. Although she also says she is a 'hot mess' and a sexual schemer. The whole thing gives me the rage. The contortions and the clap trap.

I wouldn't be surprised if Zucker sued Shon for slander / libel. The things Shon said about the naked photos and sexual questions are completely without evidence and I'd be very surprised if they weren't entirely lies purposefully created by transactivists.

I laughed out loud at Ray Blanchar's comment on unquestioning acceptance from the media with the hasty tag-on "except the BBC."

Awaiting tonight with interest.

That transwomen didn't come across as very credible.

I wonder how the general public will react to transwomen like that, who present as women but are outspoken and argumentative in getting their point across? Doesn't go down very well when women do that...
I mean, it's almost as if sexist expectations could work in our favour on that score.
Not sure I put that very well... hope you know what I mean.

Brag

That was very interesting. Can't believe they had Ray Blanchard on - the transgender nemesis himself.

I'm wondering if the tide is turning. That transwomen didn't come across as very credible. It will be the first mainstream trans-critical program that I have ever seen if it does give opposing view points.

As there is no science to back up transgenderism, as the suicide statistics are manipulated, and as most children left alone will grow up not trans, the debate is overwhelmingly overdue.

And that poor child in the program seemed rather confused. No mention of gender dysphoria, simply not liking boys clothes and haircuts.

There was a piece on Newsnight tonight as a forerunner to this doc, that's worth watching. It was the last item, from 33.45

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b088k0mb/newsnight-11012017

Except I was actually two days out because I was looking on I player for last nights's airing...
Meh, tues/thur both start with t so at least I got the first letter right