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Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/01/2017 08:09

Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

The blurb:

Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

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EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 12/01/2017 22:16

I thought it was revolutionary.

It's the first time I've seen the media actually saying anything that's not purely trans bandwagon and they covered a decent amount, if not everything. The scientist was called Prof Gina Rippon.

Thelilywhite · 12/01/2017 22:14

Thanks Gallavich I think I will have a look for some if her work.

DeviTheGaelet · 12/01/2017 22:14

I waited until the whole thing was aired until I looked on here. I thought it was brilliant. Very balanced but on the whole Cheri de Novo and the trans counsellor came across as zealots to me and Zucker was very balanced. I think given the sensitivity round the trans debate the BBC handled it very well.
"Lou" if you read this you made me cry. Flowers for you thanks for telling your story. You are a female role model.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 12/01/2017 22:13

I thought the 400% rise in gender clinic referrals since 2010 was astonishing - can't remember if that was a UK figure or Canada.

Gallavich · 12/01/2017 22:12

Gina Ripon. She was excellent.

CharlieSierra · 12/01/2017 22:12

There were, but I felt they didn't get as much air time as the batshit crazy ones. Maybe I got my hopes up too high.

Doobigetta · 12/01/2017 22:11

I thought it was good. It very clearly got the point across about how TAs are stifling debate and shutting down anyone who questions them.

Thelilywhite · 12/01/2017 22:09

I thought it wasnt too bad considering it was only an hour. At least there were some sensible people on it.

charlestrenet · 12/01/2017 22:06

If she's too young to make the decision then don't let her make it! Good god.

Kennington · 12/01/2017 22:03

I missed her name but she wasn't putting up with any daft arguments.
That poor girl who transitioned and wished she hadn't was terrible.
I am sure there are plenty of adults who wish to be another sex and should live as they think this presents but lying to people and saying a sex change is possible is terrible. Particularly children and adolescents.

charlestrenet · 12/01/2017 22:03

Lou's story is heartbreaking.

Oblomov16 · 12/01/2017 22:03

Well this was a poor debate. Skirted round the issues.
It is a very complex issue. No one wants a child who is absolutely positive that they want to have surgery, to be denied, but likewise we cant give out hormones and surgery willy nilly.

fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 22:01

It's just so sad seeing children becoming so warped by societal expectations.

fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 21:58

Kennington Absolutely. I'm hoping this documentary will introduce a more nuanced approach to transgender ideology.

charlestrenet · 12/01/2017 21:57

Love love the neuro doctor. I came close to chucking my cuppa at the telly on hearing "affirmation treatment".

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 12/01/2017 21:57

Twitter on this is basically a welter of post -truth post-fact 'had enough of experts' horseshit. Kids know best my arse.

BBCNewsRave · 12/01/2017 21:55

And why does trans children being suicidal seem to matter more than other vulnerable groups of children being suicidal? (eg. abused children)

I'll shut up now and have a Wine

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 12/01/2017 21:54

Hormone therapy is a bit coy IMO. Puberty blockers is more honest.

Thelilywhite · 12/01/2017 21:53

agreed kennington did anyone get her name?

BBCNewsRave · 12/01/2017 21:53

Ifit Yes and referring to "sex change" which is biologically impossible.

Kennington · 12/01/2017 21:51

The female prof scientist is great.
The arguments need to stand up to scrutiny.
A good debate is required.

fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 21:49

Social and biological interaction. Whodda thunk it!

Ifitquackslikeaduck · 12/01/2017 21:48

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fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 21:47

Oh god the whole ladybrain Shiite Angry

BBCNewsRave · 12/01/2017 21:46

Oops, posted too soon...
Why aren't they questioning stats? Why didn't they include him explaining why is ISN'T conversion therapy?
Why the hell were trans activists worried about this documentary?

Hoping it becomes apparent soon.