Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

I guess they feel they have to go over the top to counteract the slight bit of balance that they displayed in last night's documentary, given the amount of screeching transactivists and their allies did on twitter over it.

That follow up piece on BBC breakfast or whatever it's called was such bad journalism. Whatever you think of a issue, you can't have three people on who are all of the same viewpoint, all saying the documentary was a pile of damaging tosh. Where's the balance?

The transman came across as pretty fanatical and creepy, I thought.

Yes, I think that's important. Follow the money. I doubt it's an accident that all this shit originated in the US.

I'd love to be able to see 20 years into the future to find out where all the trans stuff has gone. What will be the prevailing ideology then? How many of the under-25s who are calling themselves, or being identified by parents, as "trans" now will be living as the opposite sex, still be taking hormones, have had surgery? Will there be a huge amount of medical and surgical interventions to try and reverse the effects of "transing" treatments being doled out now? It did occur to me, watching the documentary last night, what a great money-spinner the whole trans industry must be - especially in the USA and other countries with no NHS. .

I studied global development studies in my first year at university, and it was a major shock to me that there were no easy answers. I remained passionately angry about economic and human rights injustices but I became aware that it wasn't a simple matter. It was an important turning point. I think teenagers often have a very simplistic view of things, and in some ways that's great, and cuts through the crap, in others, not so much. I don't know if you remember #kony2012? It was a big wake up call for me about the negative side of social media activism and how shortsighted, vacuous and dangerous it can be.

I watched the documentary with 2 of my teenage daughters, both of whom are passionately pro-trans. I had kind of hoped it might make them take a broader and more rounded look at some of the issues, but they were incredibly blinkered - any doubt or question is prejudice!! You have no right to say that!! I'm going to watch again at some point as I missed a lot of what was said due to the 'lively debate' that was going on in the room, which culminated in older dd saying, in tones of withering distaste, that I'm such a white feminist. I'd have liked to unpick that some more too, but she'd already flounced out, leaving me with a real sense of despair about a future where young people want complicated issues compartmentalised into convenient hashtags and have no interest whatsoever in nuanced debate and examining shades of grey. (A lot of young people, I should say. I'm sure some are more balanced in their thinking!)

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I am on the other thread about the transgirl going to girl guides. It was the thread about the IOC guidelines that first alerted me to the trans issue. The same thread made me take another look at the FWR boards, as I had found them intimidating and largely incomprehensible. They are now my 'go to' section and I have learnt a hell of a lot about feminism, which had simply passed me by. I know it's trite, but I did feel as though the scales had suddenly fallen.

So it was quite shocking to see the posts from people on the girl guide board. I do think it takes something of a lightbulb moment if you haven't been raised with feminism to really see the inequality between men and women. The trans issue is turning that light bulb on for many people.

Yes wasn't there a clip of her in her church? Saying "freaking interesting". You can't say "freaking" at the pulpit!

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Cheri DiNovo - had to skip back and forth to find her name.

She's also a priest.

Well that (BBC news) was a total hatchet job. Why the talk about abusive practices when that has nothing to do with Zucker?

I think, sadly, that things will only change when these children caught in this clusterfuck grow up and sue the asses of some of these people. And Mermaid better start saving now because this will cost them dearly in the future.

I heard the tw talking before I knew it was on and thought "that sounds like a man putting on womanvoice". Ha.

Wow. The woman with the blonde bob is a dangerous zealot. She's telling people (and not mincing her words) that their kids will die if they don't trans them, campaigning (it seems from a place of strength and power) to prevent parents from being able to protect their children.

The parents who they interviewed who worked with Zucker came across so well, they were a real, balancing, sensible voice amongst some really scary stuff.

Canadian tw on BBC just now trashing Zucker. Very one-sided. Did they feel the need to do this after the grief the TRA gave them for the doc?

Susie green is on there

BBC news very pro trans. Mermaid lot.

Talking about this at 8.40 on bbc news.

I thought it got better as it moved into the second half too. I'm wondering if some of the connections being made here on the thread by folks who were already aware and gender critical will have been picked up more widely though. Like the little boy who says he's a girl because he didn't like boys games, clothes and hairstyles, or the older girl who felt better when she could play 'boys' sports. There's a thread elsewhere re a transgirl at guides and really the only people on it who seem to get the issue are names I know from FWR.

On the other hand you really wouldn't tell the 17 year old was trans so if a child is going to end up transitioning the blockers contribute to the best end result. But then that researcher said there was no way to identify persisters vs desisters