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Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/01/2017 08:09

Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

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Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

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venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 23:54

I quite agree, Prawn.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/01/2017 23:36

The white, wealthy TRAs parasite off everyone. The constant claims of the terrible violence done to transwomen they make ignore the fact that this violence is mostly done to sex workers who are BME. Now, these wealthy white guys could spend money in helping trans sex workers off the streets, perhaps funding hormones. But they don't. Which tells me everything I need to know.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/01/2017 23:28

I'll be glad to give you some links, Today. I need access to my links library, which is in my office down the garden. So it'll have to be tomorrow. But I've been reading about this issue for years and have a lot of resources on all things trans.

Here's one link about a billionaire financier, Jennifer Pritzker, who single handedly funds a paediatric research trans unit in Chicago. Actually, if you search the term billionaire on that blog you'll find lots of further reading. Or, indeed, child transition. Check out what gendertrender has to say about Mermaids...

Gendertrender's tone seemed a bit harsh to me at first but once I realised the damage being done to lesbians and lesbian community I saw they had a right to be angry.

todayitstarts · 14/01/2017 23:22

me too

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 23:21

I did too.

2rebecca · 14/01/2017 23:19

I've sent the BBC some positive feedback on it to counter the negative stuff the sexual stereotyping pink and sparkly = "really a girl" trans brainwashing brigade letters.

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 23:06

Is that real? I'm discussing it on another thread.

Twogoats · 14/01/2017 23:05

Oh, according to The Daily Star (I know), Ian Huntley wants a sex change... Tomorrow's front page (I saw it on Twitter)

todayitstarts · 14/01/2017 23:01

I don't know what to do. Someone, advise.

It's horrifying

Twogoats · 14/01/2017 22:51

Trans Media Watch are complaining to the BBC and encouraging their supporters to as well. Also, they are trying to meet with the BBC management to discuss future portrayals...

It's like, on some level, they know that education and balanced views will be their downfall. They know that an equal debate makes them look bad, so they want to ban it.

The sad thing is, at the minute, they're winning. The Guardian has had 2 pro-trans articles this week alone...

todayitstarts · 14/01/2017 22:49

Who is the billionaire transwoman? Which company?

todayitstarts · 14/01/2017 22:43

Prawn. would def like further reading. Can you post or PM?.

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 22:41

I mean in terms of the transagenda.

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 22:40

I've never thought about the gay marriage thing but wow I see your point.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 14/01/2017 22:29

Speaking as a disillusioned lesbian, Prawn, I'd say your explanation makes a lot of sense.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/01/2017 22:03

Todayitstarts I've read quite a lot about the funding issue, and can dig some out if you want to do some reading.

Typically TRAs are white and affluent. A sizable number of them work in STEM. Their motivation for transition is sexual. Trans porn is a huge thing. At least 10% of porn caters to this group.

So they are wealthy and very keen to conceal any sexual undercurrent. Now if they can convince people that trans people are "born this way" they can appeal to public sympathy, which they have done with a frightening level of success. There are several billionaire transwomen who fund activism.

Add to that the fact that the big LGBT organizations have rather lost their purpose with the achievement of gay marriage. What is the next big campaign going to be? There are literally thousands of people making a handsome living from these organizations, and they don't want the gravy train to stop.

Campaigning for trans rights fills that gap and an astonishing number of current LGBT leaders are what 10 years ago would have been called straight men. Lesbians, who have never had their fair crack of the whip in LGBT circles, are now being totally abandoned by organizations which are supposed to support them. Many are totally disillusioned.

So you have a lot of money available for campaigns plus highly experienced political groups to run them. HTH.

Sorry that's so long. If I've got anything wrong I'm sure someone will explain.

venusinscorpio · 14/01/2017 21:54

I can't believe lifelong hormone treatments don't come into it somewhere.

Butterymuffin · 14/01/2017 21:53

Adding on: that's not to say it's completely unproblematic to be gay now - of course it isn't and homophobia is still an issue. P

Butterymuffin · 14/01/2017 21:48

todayitstarts the money angle is a very interesting point. I can't offer specifics but it does make me think: just at the point when being gay has become more mainstream and acceptable than ever before, it is a way to invent and profit from whole new markets for all sorts of products, services, treatments, you name it.

2rebecca · 14/01/2017 21:10

I thought it was the most balanced programme on the trans debate the BBC have ever shown and am really plesed they were brave enough to show it, although it seems sad that the pro trans activists have intimidated critics so much that a programme suggesting that maybe you can't actually "become" the opposite sex and that gender fluidity is a fluid concept not a binary concept and some people change their minds when they grow out of the "girls toys" "boys toys" artificial world of childhood is considered groundbreaking.
My son hated football and socialised mainly with girls at primary school and liked playing with my barbie dolls. He's now found a geeky group of friends like him at uni studying engineering and is a keen kayaker with a girlfriend.
Childhood is far too sexually stereotyped. My interests and clothes are very similar to my husband's.

Manumission · 14/01/2017 20:55

Yes doob. So very telling that she couldn't make the distinction or didn't care. The congregation didn't look quite as enthused as they might have about it, I noticed TBF.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/01/2017 20:45

Doobi I thought that was pretty dodgy too - the wholesale appropriation of historical/ cultural events by transactivists

  • the first person Jesus baptised was trans
-Joan of Arc was trans
  • Native American two-spirit/ third gender people were trans
  • The Stonewall Riots were centred around transpeople

This total rewriting of history to try and bolster their position is deeply concerning, as is their insistence on transing children as it shows that (trans)gender is innate, again bolstering their position.

I don't understand why the mainstream can't see this Confused

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PencilsInSpace · 14/01/2017 20:41

Yes I noticed that Doobigetta - yet more appropriation.

Doobigetta · 14/01/2017 20:38

I thought it was outrageous the way that awful preacher woman tried to claim that the eunuchs who featured in the Bible were the "first transgender people". They didn't have any choice! They didn't have any gender identity issues, they were mutilated against their will as a way of humiliating, controlling and punishing them. They were victims of a horrific violent crime, not trailblazers.

OddMollie · 14/01/2017 19:43

Catching up after being out all day - such a lot of interesting stuff to take in.
Fish, I think I posted on a thread of yours a few months ago, and my heart goes out to you for what you're going through. The fact that you're navigating this path alongside your child and not passively handing them over to the system shows what a wonderful parent you are.
Going back a few pages - Manumission, hearing that your daughter changed her view is really encouraging - thanks!