Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

To me, India mainly comes across as an old fashioned, rather ill informed sexist / homophobe and out of their depth. But possibly with a side order of rage against lesbians, yes.

Have also contacted the beeb. Hate the way people are trying to shut down debate of this issue.

India comes across as full of narcissistic and misogynist rage

India is an empty old vessel and no mistake. In a way of feel a bit sorry for India because their transition took place just at the moment of a lot of people suddenly thinking 'hang on a minute...what?!' so India is not getting the universal unquestioning adulation they might have expected. I don't feel too sorry though cos India does seem to be a bit of a misogynist, going by the WH appearance etc.

Lol at India mansplaining neuroscience to a neuroscientist

Yes "only feminists". Who the fuck cares about their opinions, eh?

Why was that bellend ever invited on Woman's Hour?

This one is worse though. If you're a lesbian you don't have a right to a view either apparently. This is not funny, f*cking homophobic arse.

India the neuroscientist.

Yes, thought that too Countess. So India identifies as woman, but has no respect for the opinion of feminists. Ah.

The other classic India tweet was the one about how Gina Rippon is wrong about the brain science because she only looked at the outside of the brains and if you look on the inside they are different - I will see if I can find it. I laughed so hard at that.

I'd hardly call the Times "hard right" but then India is a bit dense so there you go.

Lol, did you see India's tweet about how it's only feminists and the right wing supporting the programme? Clearly in India's head being a feminist means you don't count:
'@nigelsleftboot The only writer's / publications supporting it are either feminists or hard right. Why such an outcry if 'great prog'?'

Yes and India Willoughby is hassling the producer on twitter

twitter.com/nigelsleftboot/status/820604336795435008

One of the programmes producers has tweeted that the bbc are being bombarded with duplicate complaints, twitter.com/nigelsleftboot/status/820565826042548225

I don't think the LGB community is doing anything wrong, and I'm sorry if that's how it came across, itsbetterthan. But some of the big organizations that benefit from LGB donations and support are aware that unless they come up with another big issue their income and influence will wane. How many well paid jobs in LGBT lobbying do you think there are, worldwide? The trans lobby gives them new energy and new supporters.

This is pretty twisted when you hear how TRAs are intruding into lesbian community and bullying lesbians into sex. Trans rights activism is homophobic. Their argument is that as transwomen are women then lesbians have no right to refuse sex with their girldicks (insert twee euphemism here).

The transing of children is gay erasure. All in all, the LGB section has very little in common with the T, and there have been petitions trying to get the T dropped. From my understanding the T are actively damaging the L and G, not least that when the scandal of child transition breaks a lot of people will assume the LGB are to blame.

I don't think anyone here is saying that the LGB community are causing this. And I agree with you about the shit that lesbians are dealing with.

It is more that the transgenderists are hijacking the LGB movement and the work they have done and the sympathy that the wider public have for their struggle against discrimination. In other words the T is a parasite on the LGB. The T is appropriating lesbian and gay politics, culture, legitimacy, spaces and energy in order to promote a movement that is deeply homophobic and misogynistic.

How are the LGB community causing this? Many LGB people are gender critical. Lesbian women get a lot of shit from the trans lobby.

I watched this with my child and was pleased with the reaction.

My child started arguing when the person said 'we don't want psychiatric treatment we are fine thank you' it actually got my child really riled.

Although it was a bit rocky to begin with when I decided against blockers for my child they can now see why I was seemingly willing to go down that path before I looked into it and understands more now and gave me a huge hug when realising that I had been repeatedly told my child would kill themselves or hurt themselves.

Although I've never protected my child from the road that transitioning would take I have protected them from a lot of what has been said to me about the path I'm choosing. I think that my child is getting to the age that they need to be more aware, although I try and remain neutral and neither encourage or discourage this route.

All in all its been very interesting and informative and I'm glad the BBC were brave enough to show it, but also saddened that they have to be brave to show a neutral documentary for fear of the TAs.

I said in a thread a couple of days ago that my worry for the transgender children now is soon the statistic that 80% of transgender children not transitioning in adulthood will change completely due to blockers being provided early and the chances being that blockers usually lead to hormones and hormones will likely lead to surgery.

This is all going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

User my child is a lot younger than yours so I'm not sure if talking to me would help at all, feel free to PM me if you do fancy a chat though

user's son isnt under 18 though
sorry about your son, user- my ds is that age and also dyspraxic, rather immature and to my mind vulnerable, your post made me very grateful that due to the dyspraxia he never got on with formal education and is doing an apprenticeship in a cafe rather than university. I wonder who your son's male role models are? Would he benefit from spending time wither with gay men or heterosexual but somewhat gnc men? so he sees he can be any kind of man he wants, doesn't matter how he wants to dress/what his interests are.

Agree. The whole trans movement feels like a religion. Most religions like to recruit them young (and gullible).

Children should be protected from this.
I'm utterly amazed that it's now more or less promoted in Sex Ed in Schools and from a very young age.
So much for safeguarding and protecting them from being brain washed.

We are failing our children and it has to stop.

It is such a relief to read this thread as I thought I was going out of my mind, thank you for helping put things in perspective with your thoughts and comments and the useful links. I am totally convinced that my son has been manipulated by some very clever people whose agenda I cannot even begin to fathom. Some things I have found particularly shocking is online GP's prescribing medication on the strength of an email from a self diagnosed person without any form of face to face consultation (see testimonial at bottom of home page gendergp.co.uk/; Samaritans only signposting to gender affirming helplines etc ad nauseum. The whole thing stinks of bit pharma funding life long "patients" - have already seen reference made to well known figures. How can we redress the balance and bring some sanity back to the ones affected?

All it needs is MSM to get on board. And I think the BBC programme which, as far as I know, is the first programme of its kind to show anything like an opposing view point, might be the start.

Certainly some right wing newspapers are taking a more cynical view of some transgender topics.

Once more transactivists have a higher visible profile, people are going to have questions.

Certainly, the comments below many articles are very questioning, if not downright damning.

Surely the wider public is going to wake up to the madness soon. I pray that the transing of gay children will be their downfall and that the LGB people will drop them like the homophobic hot brick they are.

I suspect it'll take a considerable number of damaged young people regretting their chemical/surgical transitions, with a noticeable number of suicides, before the issues can be properly raised without being shouted down/drowned out. I am more than happy to be proved wrong.

Sent message on comment section at bbc re this programme saying how balanced it was, and how transgender lobby is all pervasive in society at the moment, also how I can't discuss this topic within my family without being called a bigot. (My teenage family is influenced by media not personal circs. Dh has no excuse except he wouldn't support me on principle #marriedtoanarse)