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Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/01/2017 08:09

Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

The blurb:

Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

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MrsGWay · 20/01/2017 23:20

Don't worry RJDennis has proved (!? FFS) that men change their biology when they transition! Chromosomes don't matter.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 20/01/2017 23:16

I suspect that's a nod to the science aspect. The way things are going, the next time you visit it will be 🚺 and 🚹

OlennasWimple · 20/01/2017 23:13

It's all very depressing, isn't it.

My one bit of good news on this front was recently visiting a school where the toilets in the science block were labelled XX and XY

roseshippy · 20/01/2017 23:00

BBC seem to be trying to make amends, they have randomly put up a front page 'news' story about a transgender person who did a webchat on reddit several months ago (October 23rd).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38637837
source: www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/58zg1m/iama_trans_woman_who_has_medically_transitioned/
I am a bit at a loss as to why it's been put up, the webchat was in October, they must have received death threats and what not and are trying to rebalance things with uncritical propaganda.

ageingrunner · 20/01/2017 20:01

I've just googled Gallavich. Barbaric is the word. Even if no complications 😫

Gallavich · 20/01/2017 19:41

How in the ever loving fuck can anyone think that a phalloplasty would be a low risk surgery? Has anyone had the stomach to google phalloplasty images? You need a strong stomach. The operation is barbaric.

ageingrunner · 20/01/2017 19:24

It strikes me as highly unethical to be performing what many people would regard as unnecessary surgeries on young women when those surgeries carry the risk of faecal and urinary incontinence.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2017 19:08

but I think it's important that anyone considering this surgery knows the risks it involves

YY. It's often presented as relatively trouble free, performed by experts in reconstructive surgery. The problem is is not reconstruction, its construction, pretty much from scratch. And the body will always try to heal itself.

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ageingrunner · 20/01/2017 18:58

I've just seen a transman on tumblr who has had phalloplasty talking about complications that happened after the surgery, including not being able to urinate through the newly created penis, and bladder spasms that caused incontinence. Also severe scarring on the arm where the skin was taken from.
Apparently the surgeon said that complication rates were close to 0% Hmm but from what I've read, phalloplasty carries a fairly high risk of complications of one type or another. Another account I read said that the person was farting from the new penis and weeing from somewhere behind the new scrotum. I hope I haven't offended anyone by posting these details, but I think it's important that anyone considering this surgery knows the risks it involves.
I suspect a lot of money is being made by various people who may not be very scrupulous, unfortunately.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2017 18:57

Thanks for the heads-up .

I've used up my question, could someone ask about the Brit awards etc?

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EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 20/01/2017 18:21

There's a webchat coming up with Jess Phillips and Flick Drummond so I've posted a question. Hopefully they'll be more responsive than flipping WEP.

BBCNewsRave · 20/01/2017 17:48

Obviously she immediately went on the defensive and said that from looking at my timeline it looked like I 'needed a hobby'

Wow, projection, much?!

I was offered Lupron or similar for endometriosis. I'd rather be in pain once once a month, frankly. Incredibly, GP was willing to prescribe it despite being too pigheaded to allow me strong painkillers.

Oh fuck, fuck, what the hell are they doing?

CharlieSierra · 20/01/2017 16:57

"how long are menopausal adult women allowed to take HRT before they have to come off it because of the related risks?"

My GP said 5 was recommend and in the end I had 6, and that was despite only being in my early 40s.

Albadross · 20/01/2017 16:19

India Willoughby had tweeted that the programme can't have been balanced because it caused an outcry. I responded saying that trans agenda has money to influence outcry and that parents have to stand up when adult agendas start affecting children.

Obviously she immediately went on the defensive and said that from looking at my timeline it looked like I 'needed a hobby', before blocking me.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 20/01/2017 15:50

I've just posted this on the WEP thread but I'm posting again because it's fucking horrifying.

www.petition2congress.com/1902/investigation-lupron-side-effects-leuprolide-acetate
This is a link to a petition to US Congress "to warn others regarding the drug Lupron... in the hope that further long-term safety studies are done before it disables or kills more women. This drug was originally marketed to treat prostate cancer patients but now is widely used for the treatment of endometriosis, infertility, fibroids/ovarian cysts and even precocious puberty."

Datun · 20/01/2017 15:40

prawn

The second comment under that link was heartbreaking.

When people yell bigot and transphobe on MN I sort of assume that it is from a position of ignorance. And if they took some time to read the available data, their stance would change. But when you see the sheer number of individuals in authority whose arrogance and selfishness allows them to feather their own nests at the expense of children, it's not surprising that the general public don't realise quite how much Kool-Aid they're being forced to drink.

venusinscorpio · 20/01/2017 15:23

That's hideous. This stuff is batshit.

Gallavich · 20/01/2017 15:00

prawn
Fuck.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 20/01/2017 14:12

In Canada under 16 girls are able to access double mastectomy and hysterectomy. In one case in Ontario a woman forced the system to fund a double mastectomy for a 15 year old girl.

everythingis · 20/01/2017 14:00

Not rtft but watched the doc. Canadas stance on trans scared me they have normalised life changing surgery etc it's mad

AntiGrinch · 20/01/2017 13:22

"This sunny "oh, they can just take puberty blockers to give them time and space to think things through" is completely insane."

I think it is part of a general current pattern of massively downplaying the potential impacts of drugs.

CoteDAzur · 20/01/2017 13:14

"how long are menopausal adult women allowed to take HRT before they have to come off it because of the related risks?"

10 years, IIRC.

CoteDAzur · 20/01/2017 13:12

"it is usually prescribed for precocious puberty - so for a short period until the child over until they hit a more appropriate age to go through puberty"

Even then, its prescribed reluctantly and with much debate of pros & cons. When DD started puberty early, her paediatrician said that she would not recommend puberty blockers due to very serious risks. As she was already quite tall, we let her body carry on what it started.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 20/01/2017 12:41

^
It's on page 171 of that PDF, called Leuprorelin. It's 22,572 for the larger amount and 7524 for the smaller amount per injection, I'm assuming that's in £? This is for a proprietary version where no non-proprietary exists.^

So £90,288 in drug sales per child per annum. Yeah, big pharma would have no interest in stoking up a new market for their drug which is licensed for precocious puberty (surely a fairly rare condition). Hmm

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 20/01/2017 09:45

M0stlyHet, the other side effect is that after a few years - I seem to remember 5 - a hysterectomy is recommended because of the carcinogenic effects of testosterone on women. So if you start at 18 you could require sterilization by 23. Sad