The use of cis gender

Sounds like an interesting essay, and its a relief to hear that not all of academia has been overrun by the TRA narrative.

Just wanted to add, I am writing about women being treated in a particular ways because they were born female, not because of how they perceived themselves.

I`m currently writing an academic essay about gender stereotypes in a particular context, if I used the term 'cis women' instead of 'women' I would lose marks because it is a redundant term. I would be told not to use unnecessary and irrelevant phrasing and that the word 'cis' was only relevant in a scientific or geographical work.

Take a look at the definition at the top of the wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender ...

that makes the erroneous assumption that we all accept being define by some notion of 'gender identity' but also has the unscientific nonsense phrase 'sex that they were assigned at birth'.

Nope. My sex was determined as female the moment an X rather than a Y sperm won the race to the ovum. That is what makes me a woman.

As the Green Party now think that women are non men to accommodate the sensitivities of transactivists, given that there are also trans men I can't see why men can't be non-women. I'm sure that suggestion would go down like a lead balloon, though. No prizes for guessing why.....

+1 Prawn

I do not subscribe to those beliefs, therefore that word is inappropriate to use for me.

It's a forthcoming one. 27th December iirc.

Flora is that a current copy of NG?

Cis is a redundant qualifier. But it is more than redundant. It demands that anyone who uses it concedes certain assumptions about gender, assumptions that feminists do not share. Feminism holds that gender is part of woman's oppression, that stereotyping is damaging to our interests. We don't agree that "feminine" is an intrinsic part of being female. Feminists, therefore, are never "cis", nor do we accept that transgender males are a subset of female.

The National Geographic story follows the Green party in that men are men, women are non-men. The regressive, oppressive old-style sexism of all this will surely eventually be noticed by those who now parrot trans propaganda.

It's utterly ridiculous. There can be as many what they call genders as they want, it doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of human beings come in two sexes, male and female, one of which can usually bear children and one which produces sperm, and are oppressed or privileged accordingly. Now, in whose interest might it be to distract from this fact and make it hard to talk about...?

Does that make my actual cat a cis cat, or a cat cat? What about if he is online, how should he describe himself? I don't even know if he feels like a cat. What does a cat feel like? Apart from fluffy of course.

I am a female.

As a gay woman, I am supposed to be on-board with the expression cis-gender. I am not.

There is no 'match' between my sex and gender since gender is a social construct. I sometimes wear dresses (does this mean that my gender is female?) and also like fixing things (does this mean that my gender is male?). It is absurd. There is no-mismatch at any level: I am simply a woman, a full-fledged biological woman.

It is very strange how the expression cis-male is rarely used.

As for that National Geographic cover, it is all kinds of misogynist. Where is the 'Female'? It is o.k to simply have a 'Male', but we must be qualified as 'cis' to appease MEN who are trying to invade our space.

I do not identify as a ciswoman, nor am I willing to be identified thus by anyone else. I identify as a woman.

Be whoever you want to be, but do not try to do so by taking something away from women - a group who have, throughout history, come second to men, and are now, apparently, expected to come last after every other gender and definition.

One of the genders ( I forget which) means I am only interested in hooking up with someone on a romantic, non-sexual basis. But as they can all be 'fluid' this can all change tomorrow. In what self obsessed world to we need a label for every possible permutation of someone's personality. There are 76 genders now. Everyone's special.

This actually offends me deeply. I read it earlier in complete disgust . I was originally very accepting of transgender men and women, I still am really.

But I will not accept that my 7 year old son has been taught about all this gender madness at school and I truly fear for his future. Too many labels, so much so that kids can't just be just kids. I went through many confusions as a teen, all normally although god knows what labels and how swept away I would have been in this day and age. Scary! I'm sure I read there are over 50 different gender labels. Wtf!

For the times when it is important to know more detail "I am a non-trans, non-gender binary, non-agender man/woman" is a bit clunky

If they just said "I am a cis-man/woman" this tells you the previous but quicker

Or, alternatively you can be even quicker, by having the shortest word for the most frequent - ie man, woman, then longer words for the variations, just like you'd do with virtually everything else.

As a programmer, who deals with vast quantities of data flowing through my code, which I have to process as fast as possible, I can assure you that this is the most efficient use of characters.

JAPAB "I am a woman" means just that. If a man says it he is lying. Women don't need to contort their words to accommodate a man lying about his sex.

JAPAB. I do have a question. Under what circumstances would the word 'woman' be insufficient, but the words ' non-gender binary woman' be sufficient. Unless you're describing your personality.

Oh, I see JAPAB. So the new words are to help me, a woman, be better understood. Gosh. Hadn't thought of it like that before but now it all seems so clear.

Flora the female is probably making the tea for them all to enjoy afterwards.

To me, as well as being totally unnecessary...

If a stranger on the internet simply declares "I am a man/woman" this does not give all information about them. OK in a general discussion I would assume that they have an XY/XX chromosome respectively, and would overwhelmingly be likely to be correct - though not always.

For the times when it is important to know more detail "I am a non-trans, non-gender binary, non-agender man/woman" is a bit clunky.

If they just said "I am a cis-man/woman" this tells you the previous but quicker.

It is all very well a stranger knowing what they mean by a term but sometimes there needs to be distinctions made.

It's bollocks talk.

Could you talk me through the significance of the lack of space between 'trans' and 'woman' though. I like it instinctively but not sure I get it. Thanks

well, they're trying to say that 'trans' is like any other modifier - tall woman, skinny woman, asian woman, trans woman, just another type of woman.

If there's no space, then it's not a modifier, it's a noun, a thing in it's own right without necessarily a relation to another similar word.

Transwomen don't want to be a thing other than a woman, they want to be a type of woman. It's subtle, but language is important, it makes a difference (or marketing departments and politicians wouldn't hire so many people to make sure they use the right ones)

Look at this. No-one on this cover is identified as female whereas the male is not identified as cis male but just male.