The use of cis gender

that's nonce sense, venus

Go on! Half the stuff linked to on here breaks the average "transphobia" guidelines but thanks will google when I am home.

For the hard of thinking, as there are plenty on this forum: When I'm emoji grinning btw, I'm not supporting actual transphobia. In the same way Chris Morris's Brass Eye didn't actually promote paedophilia. HTH.

The Datalounge thread about Howard Stern & Caitlyn Jenner is very funny. Am not going to link as it almost certainly breaks at least 10 MN rules but it's worth a look.

It is so frustrating because it could have been so good. All the men in dresses and boys in pink challenging toxic masculinity, all the girls with short hair refusing to bend to a controlling stereotype.

I was so naive years ago and I thought that this was what trans meant, I didn't realise that I was being reduced to the stereotype that I've fought all my life or even worse a thought in a mans head. I didn't realise that it meant I may lose the right to privacy, dignity and safety.

Yes, I love the new cover. And it is gay eugenics, or it is for a lot of trans kids. Anyone who hasn't had a read should try Datalounge where the gay men are very clear about the damage being done by the trans agenda to gay and lesbian kids. Very outspoken, and funny with it.

Saw this today - someone's fixed that awful national geographic cover

Long live the catarchy!

Cats would all be radfems anyway, because cats have no time for bullshit.

Anarcho-fems more like it!

I was going to say my cat is too lazy to be online because he's male (dreadful sexist joke alert) but then I realised he had his bits removed 12 years ago so, let me see, if I have this correct, he's a mtf transcat. Is that right?!

Cats would all be radfems anyway, because cats have no time for bullshit.

Aren't they called cashpoints or cash machines in the UK usually? They are in my neck of the woods! Of course, I've never asked one how it identifies...

I prefer 'magic money machine'.

I hope my cat isn't online! She hates other cats. She'd be trolling Catbook and demanding to know why the Rights for Cats movement wasn't doing more to help dogs.

Yes, come in and pull up a chair.

Oh Hurricanado, that's gorgeous!

Now you're registered you might as well stick around

And it's quite a good joke, Hurricanado. Have you been lurking long?

DameDeDoubtance Does that make my actual cat a cis cat, or a cat cat? What about if he is online, how should he describe himself?

Your cat is feline, not online.

Can you believe I registered purely to make that joke? What am I DOING with my life???

Sorry the "dreary as fuck" girl thing, I was remembering how I felt when forced into clothes and activities that I hated due to my sex.

Of course girls aren't dreary as fuck generally, whether they like lego or ballet or neither or both

TBH I have softened on it now - probably as I'm over 40 and people have much less obvious expectations that they want me to meet in terms of looks etc. Men no longer tell me to smile on the street, women no longer ask me why don't I wear a skirt more often.

Just shows if we're left alone without the expectations we are able to be who we are much more easily. And not have to react against something and throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Well I could be agender, bigender, genderfluid and there are probably more options.

Point is, I wouldn't have been some dreary as fuck girl.

I think a lot of this comes steeped in a hefty dose of misogyny. The place of girls in society makes them very likely to "trans" at least socially, into anything but "girl". As if it might protect them.

As an aside, the pictures of MTT why are they so often in really bizarre poses that are beloved of eg shop dummies but ordinary women very rarely adopt? It does all feel like the whole thing revolves around ideas of womanhood to do with submissiveness, high levels of grooming, sexualised clothing etc. The TAs say no no it's not like that at all. But, it seems that way. The pictures of FTT children they are always slathered in makeup and surrounded by pink toys and hairdryers and things. Men seem to be leading this movement, and what do so many men and boys think women and girls are like, what we are? Superficial, interested in hair, makeup, pink, and batting our eyelids at males. Fuck off.

I think that the reason this all sticks in the craw of some women and most especially some feminist women is that:

Many women come to feminism when they are girls. I was a feminist before I realised what the word was, and when I heard what it was I knew that was what I was. The reason I felt that way so young was because my external appearance was very feminine - small slight build, long blonde hair, big blue eyes. But that my personality was such that I was interested in "boys" things - I was good at and enjoyed maths and science, playing with lego, reading "choose your own adventure" books etc. My mum was forever making me do ballet and putting me in "pretty" but uncomfortable clothes and fussing over my hair. I reacted to all of this, by developing an idea that girls should not be pigeonholed! And I was a feminist.

When I got older and the constant appraisal by passing men, the catcalling etc started by god I HATED it so so much. And when I was older still, A Level, the fact that people (men and women) reacted with frank disbelief to my taste in films / books / hobbies and the subjects I preferred to study.

Anyway. That was then. I knew it was wrong and I became a feminist.

Now, I suppose I would simply try to identify my way out - I'd be agender. And, the issues that have plagued women and girls everywhere for ?all time, would not be my problem, would they. And the people who are subject to them - well there must be something in them that likes being treated that well otherwise they would identify otherwise, right?

So, I think this is why so many women and feminists in particular are highly pissed off.

And then there is the problem of language. If I want to raise funds for girls in a particular part of the world who are being denied an education, for example, what words do I use? There are none, according to the new rules.

And yes, from my experience, TRAs (as opposed to people with body dysmorphia/dysphoria) seem to think that women have it easy, and they'd make much better women, and us boring, normal women should just get back in the kitchen and leave them to be fabulous.

Sex isn't on a spectrum. Sex is binary, and then there are people who have genetic or developmental disorders that places them outside of that binary.

Even gender isn't a bloody spectrum because a spectrum is a line going from one thing to another - eg. from hot to cold. Since gender is made up of an infinite number of attributes, all of which are arbitrarily designated feminine or masculine depending on the culture you're in, with a person having a varying number of those attributes, it's more of a scatter graph of personality.