We're getting 'Gender Neutral' toilets at work

Devi - it's almost as if we are being gaslighted isn't it.

Introducing gender neutral facilities changes the social acceptability of men and women mixing and thereby increases opportunities for sex offenders.

This statement horrifies me. So the cure for sex offenders is keeping men and women apart?

all those talking about kids - the OP is at work in an adult environment. She is not a child at school where girls are learning to manage periods and do need extra privacy.

Than there is nothing to stop in going on the ladies anyway. There's no bouncer on the door.
Yes there is. Social conditioning is very powerful and minimises all kinds of undesirable behaviour (littering, drink driving etc) without the need for bouncers.
Introducing gender neutral facilities changes the social acceptability of men and women mixing and thereby increases opportunities for sex offenders.
In child safeguarding we expect people to be screened, not to be alone with children and tell children to trust their instincts in a bid to reduce sex offending against children. But women are being told it's bigoted to trust their instincts, that men aren't a risk and it's fine to be alone with them in vulnerable situations

There isn't a bouncer but it is seemed as unacceptable behaviour, until the law changes when it won't be.

Than = then

What if he's there to plant a camera, record you pissing or generally just to get a hard on by being in the ladies

Than there is nothing to stop in going on the ladies anyway. There's no bouncer on the door.

If he's there to sexually assault you challenging isn't really going to work.
What if he's there to plant a camera, record you pissing or generally just to get a hard on by being in the ladies?
Why do we have to pretend there aren't men out there who live this stuff? There are. Not loads but one or two can have a big effect (see Jimmy Saville).
It is so hard to prove sexual crimes generally, that I am very uncomfortable with the approach that it'll be OK to let males in women's spaces because if they are pervs the law will deal with it. It also has the air of shutting the door after the horse has bolted.

charlie - that was my daughter, aged 10, washing her trousers in the sink. Still very new to her periods and having to manage them.

A cubical which is basically an individual room with a sink in it is not really gender neutral toilets. Its just individual toilets. That's fine in my opinion.
However I think women should have the right to sex segregated toilets if they want. Okay some women are fine with it but others aren't. Maybe most work places its completely fine to have gender neutral toilets again, but others maybe not. And what about other places, what about clubs/bars? Schools? I would hate to share toilets with men who had been drinking, clubbing etc. Is bad enough with all the men touching you when you have somewhere you can escape to (the toilets).
When I was at school a friend had a really heavy period, she got it all over her, the floor of the toilets and her hands etc, she was young so wasn't used to dealing with it either. She had to clean up very obviously as she needed to use the sink. Imagine if boys had been able to come in and see her? It was horrendous enough for her as it was, but at least she could use the toilets to clean up, and have a cry with only people who might understand around. I remember sitting in the loos with her crying and older girls coming in and helping and being so nice but I cant imagine teenage boys being so understanding.

I think it depends a lot on the facilities in question - we have separate individual shower cubicles next to each toilet block, which are shower cubicle and separated changing area with hairdryer and mirror, so if anyone wanted to change their clothes, they'd go in there, not in the loos. More space for it, too.

I have been in unisex loos which were basically individual toilet rooms in a row - each had a loo, sanitary bin, basin, mirror and waste paper basket. Full length proper doors. That sort of thing is fine, as it's private for whoever is in there. If it's cubicles with gaps at the top and bottom of the doors or even between the adjacent cubicles, then I'm less keen - but then I'm less keen on those even in single sex rooms. At least we're not like the USA, where they seem to favour massive gaps above and below the doors, and I'd really have a problem with that sort of loo being unisex - I wasn't comfortable with them for just women.

Lots of small workplaces will just have a single toilet in any case, I would have thought, so people have to share anyway. But then it will be a proper room, so full privacy while you're in there.

So I think it depends massively on the physical configuration of the unisex loos.

One male cleaner versus all males

It's the sinks not the cubicle.

As to the religious women - they already run the "risk" of a male cleaner being there. There isn't always a sign and if they are starting to clean the standard process seems to be to walk in the communal area (sinks) and annonce their presence.
If you have a problem you ask them to leave so you can wash your hands in privacy.

that made zero sense! I meant sharing a bathroom with your family!

Baby sharing a family the bathroom isn't the same as sharing a bathroom with any male is it. Just like sharing a bathroom with a male cleaner isn't the same as sharing a bathroom with any male. We need to protect our rights as others are so eager to hand them over.

Mystic we want better for our boys don't we, he shouldn't have to be exposed to that sort of crap.

I'm with you OP fully. I also work in a very large organisation and thank god at least for now gents and ladies are fully segregated. I consider the ladies to be a safe haven of calm. I would absolutely hate hate hate to share with men. I know it's a bit irrational as at home I don't have segregated loos. But it's just how I feel. I think i would have to start a petition if they planned anything like that in my place of work.

That's also true when, there are some male cleaners and there is a sign up to say that is the case. That is still very different to opening up toilets to all males isn't it. Very different indeed, surely you can see that? One male cleaner versus all males.

Ds1 has told me some absolutely disgusting stories of how, many of the boys in his year, speak to and treat the girls in his year. I'm certainly not anti boys/ men. But yes I have concerns about what boys are exposed to whilst growing up and how they will be as adults. There is a ftm boy in his year group too. Wouldn't be surprised if sexual harassment was a contributing factor, to the want to change.(they still change with the girls for PE)

His school has one block of unisex toilets, floor to ceiling walls and door, sinks in the middle and the room is open to the corridor. Ds won't use them.

Plus because males are in the women's loos will mean some women have their rights curtailed. Some religious women will not take the risk or not be allowed to, another group of women taking the hit so that biological males can enjoy more freedoms, and women's rights shrink and shrink.

Soon we will not have the right to any privacy.

but at the moment I can challenge a man in the ladies and I know that it is unlikely to happen

If he's a cleaner you can't really challenge him - I guess you could ask him to wait till you'd finished washing your hands.
If he's there to sexually assault you challenging isn't really going to work.

I'm all up for good solid door, cubicles for privacy but I'm just not that bothered about sex segregated sinks.

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That's true when, but at the moment I can challenge a man in the ladies and I know that it is unlikely to happen. When the law changes it will be illegal fr me to challenge a man in the women's toilets. Do you see the difference? It will have a huge impact on women and girls.

When - on the whole sex segregated toilets do make women and girls feel safe, 98% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by men and it's nice not to share facilities with men when you're vulnerable

I think my main problem with this is that toilets aren't actually a safe space. There's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from wandering into the ladies (or the gents - I've used the blokes loos a number of times due to huge queues).
There is no way to guarantee the washbasin area is man free as we have male cleaners.

If uk toliets were like USA toliets I would have more of an issue (huge gaps). But if we make the cubicles private with tiny or none existent gaps at the top and bottom then women will be completely alone when they are at their most vulnerable.