Women's March London 21st January

Having done a little reading on Audre Lorde I can't imagine her wasting a second on TRAs. Impressive stuff. A passionate 2nd wave lesbian, feminist and civil rights activist. Never heard of her before, but I'm a bit of an ignoramus. She's big in the US but died in 1992

Janet Mock being involved explains everything. Hideous misogynist

They're also tweeting about Audre Lorde as "queer". The whole thing is an exercise in misogyny and homophobia

Janet Mock? Jesus wept.

I've purposely avoided referencing woman12345's "men dressed up" comment to my above post because I didn't want it deleted.

So transactivist Janet Mock is one of the organisers in the US. That explains why the march focus on Twitter now is almost exclusively on cis privilege, gender and "non-males", thus making sex-based oppressions pretty much irrelevant.

Mock is actively misogynistic (calls women [[https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fish&amp=true&defid=621379
fish]]) and has written positively about the "sisterhood" of child prostitution as a "rite of passage" for young black transwomen.

I expect the name "Women's March" will be changed next.

See you there!
It'll be good to talk to all supporters, unity is strength!
If men dressed up as women want to come, they can do ancillary help like they did at Greenham Common.

Welcome to Mumsnet, woman12345.

So the Washington Post confused men with women?

Funny, just like the march organisers are doing...

www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/01/washington-post-express-uses-male-symbol-represent-womens-march
Reason 12 for the march!

LOL. These idiots don't have a fucking clue. But nice bandwagon.

You're welcome, Prawn. I did feel encouraged by the responses.

all for democratic expression, but I don't think yet another Saturday march in London will achieve anything. Mass protests have attracted government attention in the past - but this is the wrong country in which to complain about Trump.

still utterly baffled why genitalia of any sort give privilege.

I've been reading all the Twitter posts reacting to the @womensmarch bollocks about cis privilege, thank you, Empress. The tweets from Womensmarch are the usual grotesque Everyday Menism claims. But the responses are nearly 100% real, gender critical feminism, lots of voices saying that cis privilege is misogyny.

I'll be interested to see how many women turn up to this march. My impression is that those feminists who are serious political activists and who might be able to make a women's march successful will all be completely alienated by this trans nonsense. The organizers who posted here seem very inexperienced and they'll find it impossible to persuade knowledgeable second wavers to advise them now.

To paraphrase Gender Critical Dad, whose blog I follow, every time @womensmarch tweets about cis another person decides to sleep in on 21st January.

Why are women oppressed if not our biology? If it's not because we're smaller, weaker, our reproductive capability and ability to be penetrated?

It's not because of skirts and liking unicorns.

Any group who support the concept that women have "cis privilege" is, by definition, not feminist. Glad we started examining this march's purposes. If "cis" is a priority, they are clearly not in women's interests.

I think it oversimplifies to say that 'women are oppressed because of our biology'.
I don't. That's where the crap begins. Oh, look you have the babies and don't have a dick, ergo, you are variant and not the norm - and on it goes.

'Gorgeousness'?

I did think ?? when a friend linked to this on FB weeks ago. This thread has convinced me that I don't want to go. Cis bollocks? Oh please.

Bullshit sums cis privilege up nicely.

Oh fuck off with the cis privilege bullshit.

I think I'm right in saying that it's LGBT plus Queer, Intersex and Asexual. However there are variants on that. See here. Seems to date back to 2008 at a quick scan.

Random but semi related, what is LGBTQA+ or LGBTQIA I've seen mentioned I swear it used to be LGB or LGBT and I know what it stands for but what's the rest stand for and is it a recent Addition?

in defence of human rights threatened by the inauguration of Donald Trump as POTUS

To march for equality, dignity, respect for human rights across the board at this time is because, across the board, our divisions are being actively and exploitatively played upon

So it's gone from the above to needing to identify "cis privilege" Setting aside whether cis privilege is "a thing" or not , even if it is, it's hardly relevant or a main focus to the threats to say the environment or the poor generally which Trump might pose.

Oh and completely agree with Prawn's post

I can entirely see the point of the American march. The London one doesn't seem to have any. The date chosen makes it certain that any coverage will frame it as anti Trump

It's not as if the British establishment is cheerleading for Trump. They will, of course, work with any American president but their lack of enthusiasm is palpable. There's no suggestion that reproductive healthcare for women is under threat here and, although I feel great sympathy for American women facing obstacles in obtaining abortion, it's not something a march in London will affect

They are indeed herm, I only saw literally a handful that I disagreed with

empress - the responses to their "cis privilege " tweet are great though!

I'd just like to add:

Cis privilege tweet and The misogyny you enable

Shame on the lot of you for claiming to support women but denying our biology.

Quick explanation of the implications of "cis privilege" for anyone not familiar with the term.

"Cis" is an offensive term used to describe biological women as opposed to transwomen. It implies that "woman" is someone who identifies with the feminine gender stereotype (eg "pink brains") and that biological sex is relevant only insofar as that some women are born with vulvas and some are born with penises. Women born with vulvas are said to have "cis privilege".

This then makes a total nonsense of reproductive rights, forced marriage, FGM etc being women's issues. It's a very short step from using the phrase "cis privilege" to calling the term "female genital mutilation" transphobic or saying that the Nepalese teenager who died after being banished to a shed while menstruating was actually privileged over a transwoman who would like to menstruate but can't.