Shannon Mathews

I have just looked up a bit about the Soham case. I had forgotten that Huntley had already been accused of many assaults against women and that Maxine Carr had provided him with a previous alibi. So she knew that he had a history of being suspected of multiple sexual and violent offences over years, and he has since confessed to at least one of those earlier crimes I think.

There are people out there who would call for capital punishment to be brought back for the most heinous murders regardless of the sex of the perpetrator.

The last public execution in the UK was in 1868. Public revulsion at the execution of Ruth Ellis was a driving force for abolition. None of this is remotely relevant to what is being discussed so not sure why Elendon is dragging it in. Capitalpunishment is not going to be restored in the UK.

The Handmaid's Tale gets trotted out so often on FWR I sometimes wonder if some posters would not be delighted if became reality so they could all say "told you so"

I do feel sorry for Maxine Carr. What she did bears no comparison to what the other women being discussed did.

louis

I think those domestic violence figures have been debunked

I could be wrong though and i am sure someone else can link to them

*" Surprised to see anyone feels sorry for Maxine Carr, but there you are. "

yes I feel sorry for Maxine Carr all she was accused of doing was making a false statement for someone she believed to be innocent. Yet she was brought to court where a lynch mob who had been tipped off were waiting, and sent to Holloway (why?).
Quite honestly it is not too far fetched that the two of them were framed.*

Interesting, I admit I do not know much about the case but I did not realise there was doubt about Ian Huntley's guilt or that framing was suspected.
I have a very hard time believing that she thought he was innocent, but even if she did....a false alibi is false....it was not up to her to decide he wouldn't have done it and she should have given the police the facts. That said, the police should not have trusted her at all.

Birdy for one men supposedly suffer 800,000 cases of domestic abuse compared to 1.2m of women so as there's many other violent crimes it's fair to say that daily there are plenty of violent crimes committed by women. But I'm not trying to make a point about that per se, I mean that in my experience women when committing such crimes are very rarely featured in the news in comparison to men and for them to do so it generally seems a very bad crime. So unlike men who feature almost so very frequently on the news it's unfortunately not as big shock and probably just kinda meld into one being, but women stand out more because (again only in my experience ) you don't hear so much about women so they stick in your mind more.

It's like if you see a pigeon flying ( men on the news doing a violent crime) it's oh ok it's a pigeon flying may have caught your attention at first but you become somewhat passive about it, but if you saw a Llama flying ( women on the news doing a violent crime) you'd think wow that's amazing!

Where, not were obvs.

Oft lauded, and rightly so, on FWR, is A Handmaid's Tale. Were public executions are commonplace. In fact, public executions are still commonplace on this Planet Earth.

Nauticant, there are those out there who think Matthews should be hanged, because why should such a vile woman be kept at taxpayers expense.

I don't really get you Louisville, where are you getting the women commit violent acts daily from? And you think they are ignored? And yet it's rare?

This thread is now taking a very peculiar turn indeed.

" Surprised to see anyone feels sorry for Maxine Carr, but there you are. "

yes I feel sorry for Maxine Carr all she was accused of doing was making a false statement for someone she believed to be innocent. Yet she was brought to court where a lynch mob who had been tipped off were waiting, and sent to Holloway (why?).
Quite honestly it is not too far fetched that the two of them were framed.

Take the quote out of context why don't you?

This post is about the vilification of women who commit crimes, that if men committed would not lead to such vilification. It seems to me that women are held to more stringent standards than men. It was ever thus. I once helped write a history play of Elizabeth I and her 6 husbands. Oh how we laughed!

There is no doubt that if capital punishment was still in this country (which UKIP hope to bring back, amongst other extreme right wing and some extreme left wing groups), then both Hindley and Brady would have been executed.

This is a history of Capital Punishment.

www.localhistories.org/capital.html

Hindley's crime was to be a woman.

I actually gasped at this. Hindley's crime was to actively participate in the abduction, rape, torture and murder of children.

I have never heard anyone speak about Karen Matthews in a way that put her in the same universe, so to speak, of someone like Hindley. Matthews is rightly vilified for what she did; I am not aware that anyone has tried to compare her with those who have committed worse crimes so find the question a bit odd.

Surprised to see anyone feels sorry for Maxine Carr, but there you are.

Birdy I meant that considering that women do violent acts daily also the news coverage should be somewhat more equal but and I think this is why women are perhaps maybe more likely to have more negative attention as on balance it's rare and so it probably garners more attention and emotion

Unfortunately it is because of lazy, entitled parasites like Karen Matthews that so many people get tarred with the 'benefits class' brush.

Really? I thought it was because of people using terms like "benefits class".

I apologise for the turning a blind eye comment, that was thoughtless, though she did not actually murder them. If not Hindley, then what other woman? Everything else stands. Crikey, I feel like I'm on the stand now for simply saying that she wasn't the devil that Brady slept with (if they actually did sleep together).

It has never been proven that John Christie killed the baby Geraldine.

Do you think Lass, that Hindley raped and murdered the victims?

She does not have a penis so technically she could not have raped them. She was actively involved in the abductions and torture and facilitated his rape of the victims. As to which one of them dealt the final blow- I don't really care given her active participation.

I agree with sushisack - your "turning a blind eye" comment renders sensible discussion impossible. Your last question is further minimisation - basically oh she couldn't have raped them- she's a woman.

Once you make a blunder by claiming that Myra Hindley "turned a blind eye", you can can either accept it was a foolish thing to write or look really peculiar trying to defend it.

The latter makes for rather unpleasant reading.

I think you excused her behaviour when you claimed she simply "turned a blind eye", I mean if you're coming at it from that perspective then I really don't think a sensible conversation can be had.

With regards to Maxine Carr, I'm not even sure if that venom towards her was because she was a woman or simply that it was such a high profile awful case. I just don't know.

I'm sure there is an important debate to be had about how female criminals are treated in the press but the examples so far are so extreme I don't think they can be used.

'Turning a blind eye' which you said twice totally minimises her role.
You must know that.

She DID help murder the victims!

I'm not excusing HIndley's behaviour. Do you think Lass, that Hindley raped and murdered the victims?

He was the one who viciously murdered and she was the one who turned a blind eye. Murdering someone is entirely different to turning a blind eye

Aside from being untrue, given her active participation in procuring the victims,what would you call that other than an excuse for Hindley's behaviour.