Shannon Mathews

If you cannot see the point I was originally arguing Lass then that's your problem and not mine. It was simply to highlight how the mainstream media deal with women and men. Which, shall I remind you, is what this thread is all about.

I don't understand how a 74 year old OLD age pensioner is not elderly

You have evidently not met my mother,

Eldon

You produced a single example of of a 74 year old woman described as elderly, with precious little other information added. In the search results you will find similar context and descriptions. A brief news report of a presumed dead, or actually dead male, 74, described as elderly.

Which means your single example at the present time is not necessarily evidence of ..whatever you believe it is evidence of.

I was quoting someone else but the quote failed Lass . HTH

I put quotation marks around comments I would not wish to associate myself with.

What is "HTH" ? Am I supposed to work out you can't use quotation marks?


I don't understand how a 74 year old OLD age pensioner is not elderly.

Old age pensioner?

I have no idea what point you are suggesting either Lass

Maybe but I'm not the one who out of the blue started posting a series of random links to random incidents involving people over 70 with no explanation but apparently expects other posters to see inside their head.

I was quoting someone else but the quote failed Lass . HTH

Or are 'trying to make'.

Because some old age pensioners

I think you might find many "old age pensioners" object to being called "old age pensioners"

I have no idea what point you are suggesting either Lass.

I'm not the one who is suggesting Lass, you are

I have no idea what you are trying to suggest or what point you are trying to make.

I'm confused by what point Elendon is trying to make re "elderly" beyond that one may encounter ageist reporting in news items about people aged 70 or over and/or often the person's age is irrelevant to the news item.

I'm failing to see why the status in society of the 70 year old racist was not pertinent. I can see a case for omitting his age.

Of course Mick Jagger is an elderly father his oldest child is middle aged.

Mick Jagger is an elderly father then.

I'm not the one who is suggesting Lass, you are.

Because some old age pensioners are parents to teenagers and babies. Does that make them elderly?

What is your point? The article about sexual prowess started off talking about how ageist the language commonly used about older people having sex is.

So far as the 74 year old woman who ploughed into a crowd of people- what is wrong with describing her actions as "confused"? The report reads as if that is what was said at the time. Or are you suggesting that perhaps she deliberately wanted to run over the audience at the event?

A lot of confusion around the meaning of elderly here. I actually thought it just meant 'old', but are some people taking it to mean frail? I don't understand how a 74 year old OLD age pensioner is not elderly.

www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=elderly%2074%20year%20old%20woman

No mention of a pill for sexual prowess in these 74 year old women. But interesting that the 74 year old woman who ploughed into elderly people was confused.

www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=elderly%2074%20year%20old%20man

One mentions elderly man being pushed down the stairs, another website doesn't mention his elderly status, viagra, prostate cancer.

What is age is a grown woman ? What are you on about - do you think that "grown ups" don't exist and that people should not be responsible for the consequences of their actions if they were influenced by someone else ?

How many men would be happy to leave their children over to all male nursery staff every morning?

Exactly - not as many as would be so happy to hand then over to a nursery full of women. My point is not about the person doing the handing over, which was fairly obvious really.

I got the impression that you were unhappy because it was being used to describe a 74 year old woman. With the implication that had she been male it would not have been used. If it makes you feel any better I plugged "elderly man" 74 into a google news search and got pages and pages of results

Yes , that is what I took from it too. The 70 year old racist got his professional status being mentioned whereas she was just "a woman". And I think it was legitimate to point out he wasn't just any 70 year old.

I'm not sure one would have to look terribly hard to find similar ageist descriptions of men.

There's been a lot of discussion around Myra Hindley. The website www.searchingforkeith.com is managed by Alan Bennet the brother of the missing victim, Keith, and he has posted a lot about contact with Hindley regarding finding him.
The writer Carol Ann Lee also posts there. She wrote the biography "one of your own" which is very detailed and leaves the reader to consider the evidence of Hindleys culpability for themselves.
I have read somewhere but can't find a reference about the possibility that Hindley was also mentally ill. Ill try and and find the info.

Well if you wouldn't have described them as elderly, maybe they didn't appear so. Elderly IME tends to be used for people in their 70s and early 80s when they display a certain degree of fragility that is being attributed to their age.

I got the impression that you were unhappy because it was being used to describe a 74 year old woman. With the implication that had she been male it would not have been used. If it makes you feel any better I plugged "elderly man" 74 into a google news search and got pages and pages of results.

When does vulnerability end as a child and when does it begin again as an adult?

No one is denying agency, but is there ever a period throughout life when you are not vulnerable to influences?

BTW my father looked very frail upon his death. He was always slim, so cancer didn't go down very well with him. He wasn't elderly though. Elderly denotes a certain vulnerability. Whereas being 70 and a business magnate is a sign of strength.