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Anyone else getting the popcorn ready re Danielle Muscato's twitter rant at Trump?

89 replies

AskBasil · 05/12/2016 00:00

It went viral and Danielle is on TV tomorrow because of it .

www.salon.com/2016/12/04/trump-continues-to-whine-about-snl-portrayal-amazing-twitter-rant-ensues/

This is what Danielle looks like:

www.daniellemuscato.com/

I predict puzzlement.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/12/2016 18:51

I think re the cost issue, the thing is that he probably identifies as an attractive woman, not just an average one, and it is really expensive to get that kind of surgery and clothes.

(disclaimer: if he isn't on the wind up)

Amalfimamma · 06/12/2016 18:44

Reading back through davey boys tweets he seems to have had some problems with blm members they say he is appropriating their colour and can't u destando what it's like to be black.

So I conclude, dave wants to be a black Woman when in fact he is a white beardy baldy man

DeviTheGaelet · 06/12/2016 18:26

What pissed me off is the total lack of irony in Danielle saying it's too expensive to present as a woman and so Danielle chooses not to. Implying that women somehow have a financial privilege to be able to do that every day. When actually the amount of money society requires women to spend to be socially acceptable is clear evidence of patriarchal bullshit.
(See also India Willoughby) Angry cis privilege my arse

ChocChocPorridge · 06/12/2016 17:53

Dave actually put up a status saying that he presented as a man because HRT was expensive

Is it? Or is it the convenient kind that's expensive? Pretty sure hormone pills are dirt cheap (having lived in a catholic country when younger that had me pay for my own contraception - less than a fiver a month at the time)

amispartacus · 06/12/2016 17:51

You can have some sympathy for the concerns of transwomen who are concerned about male violence, abuse, discrimination etc. They may not understand what it is like to be a woman but I am sure they understand many of the issues of being a transwomen - given they have experienced it.

I'm not sure how someone like DM can understand what it is like to be a transwoman?

Amalfimamma · 06/12/2016 16:54

Dave actually put up a status saying that he presented as a man because HRT was expensive and GRS was painful and not available to him free.

He got the ire of many a trans LOL

ChocChocPorridge · 06/12/2016 16:53

Isn't there some 15 year old in lithuania that was discovered to be the source of 80% of the fake Trump news stories on facebook?

It was definitely something along those lines, so Danielle paying someone for publicity is completely within the realms of possibility

ChocChocPorridge · 06/12/2016 16:52

Cote, you're going to need some kind of keyboard macro, you really do do sterling work (not being sarcastic. We all know that sometimes, broken record, factual responses are the only solution that keeps us sane)

Also need to add the one about humans being bipedal not reducing them to their legs, or prosribing that losing a leg stops you being human.

If only it wasn't educationally needed, you could use one of Betrand's key/value lists instead of typing it every time.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 06/12/2016 14:43

That is a very good question.

amispartacus · 06/12/2016 14:25

I'm not entirely sure what the story is here. Person sends a load of angry tweets to Trump. Trump doesn't reply.

I bet a lot of people send a lot of angry tweets to politicians on a daily basis and they don't reply. What makes this a story?

IndominusRex · 06/12/2016 14:14

I just had someone gushing about these tweets to me in a meeting, I gritted my teeth. I think a lot of people are in for a shock.

amispartacus · 06/12/2016 13:38

I do wonder how DM can look in the mirror in the morning and say 'I am a woman?".

Or to say 'I am treated as a transwoman by society and I know how it feels to be treated as a transwoman?".

I wonder what prejudice and discrimination DM does face out there in their daily life? It must be hard for them Hmm

Datun · 06/12/2016 13:22

Either way it won't look good tho. If she is genuine, a lot of people be asking questions. If she isn't, there are a lot of people who were taken in by it, so similar questions.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/12/2016 12:40

This is making me even more certain that Danielle is a social media experimenter.
I have seen it suggested (nb I don't know if this is true or not) that the first news site that reported this was a fake one and Danielle will have paid for the coverage and written it themself.
If so, the story was picked up and reproduced by other, genuine sites.
The thing is that news stories about things getting likes on Twitter are self-fulfilling because people will see the news report and like and retweet the post.
I find this by far the most plausible account of how this happened because there are plenty of similar anti Trump rants going on all the time.

Xenophile · 06/12/2016 12:19

Ok, for the sake of the thought experiment.

Had Danielle been born female, with the same fuckability level as they have with this body, then the chances are that their previous activism would have left her without a voice due to being trolled because ugly women should shut up and not have opinions. Therefore they wouldn't have anything like the reach or platform they enjoy now. Which would mean that the chances of the Twitter rant being featured in online magazines or discussed here would be pretty much zero.

Even if they were an outlier woman and everything was equal then this Twitter rant would almost certainly have been ignored anyway because there are better ones written by men.

I have seen better threads written by others who don't have the reach but do have the erudition to pull it off better.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 06/12/2016 10:35

But Danielle was not born female so how can we answer that question

Lets say I had tweeted exactly what Danielle had tweeted it would be correct to say that EnthusiasmDisturbed a woman from blah blah blah destroyed Trump with her tweets

Danielle is not a woman will never be a women it is impossible for Danielle to be a women so Danielle's tweets should not be passed of as tweets from a women - its a lie its an untruth

But why are Danielle's tweets being chosen out of millions of tweets by real woman Hmm well it gets more media attention more hits

CoteDAzur · 06/12/2016 10:10

Again, "genetically female"is redundant because there is no other way to be female.

This is not pedantry m. The goal is not petty correction of your English language skills but to point out the error of transactivist "logic".

When you understand that Female = Of the sex that can bear young or make eggs, and Woman = Adult human female as is clear in any dictionary it is clear as day that Danielle is not a woman. Neither are any of the other males who mimic female appearance through makeup, surgery, heels etc.

WouldHave · 06/12/2016 09:59

Gawd, pedantic much? OK, if Danielle were genetically female, would people be as critical of her tweets?

CoteDAzur · 06/12/2016 09:57

"if Danielle had been born a woman?"

If Danielle had been born a woman, it would be a first in the history of the world. It would be a miracle.

Nobody is actually born a woman. People are born female or male. Accordingly, they are born girls or boys.

Woman = Adult human female and Man = Adult human male, just like Cow = Adult female cattle and Bull = Adult male cattle. Nothing more and nothing less.

Armed with a dictionary, it is easy to cut through the transactivist bullshit.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/12/2016 09:57

Ami, does that make Danielle a trans- transwoman?

KateAdiesEarrings · 06/12/2016 09:31

I'm one of those smug people who is critical of everyone who thinks ranting on Twitter constitutes activism or debate Wink even though I probably fall into that trap sometimes too
Tweets to serious articles on politics are acceptable to me
HTH

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 06/12/2016 09:28

well the message is really a male's brain is far superior to a females so it takes a man who feels he is a women but isn't really thankfully for him he still has his male brain so is able to destroy Trump

he couldn't possibly if he had a female brain even though he feels he is a woman he knows his has a male brain and because of this he is automatically superior to women who have women's brains and that allows him to define what it means to be a woman

amispartacus · 06/12/2016 09:24

Although, from my understanding, she's unemployed and lives with her parents, so perhaps there's no pay to cut

Probably facing a lot of prejudice because they don't present as a transwoman in interviews?

LineyReborn · 06/12/2016 08:25

Why are you wondering that?

Loads of women write shit tweets. Loads of men write shit tweets. Some of them are given undue prominence for reasons unconnected with writing talent.

TheHiphopopotamus · 06/12/2016 08:25

If Danielle had been born a woman, nobody would give a shit about those tweets and people wouldn't be writing articles them saying she 'destroyed' Trump.