Paris Lees article on toilets in Guardian today

paris lees is incredible. There is a video of "her" on "Brexit Night" trying to silence david starkey by dismissing his opinion as irrelevant since he is a "white middle aged man" (an presumably not an edgy intellectual like Paris). How i longed for him to say "you mean, the same as you then Paris ?"

Interesting article in the new statesman here - www.newstatesman.com/2016/11/whats-missing-transgender-debate-any-discussion-male-violence

There are never enough female toilets anywhere! Are all the shopping centres, cinemas etc all over the place now expected to provide non gender marked toilets?
Bloody hell! I am new to this topic, but have found reading others comments very interesting.

Paris Lees once again telling women how we should think and feel

We do but Paris doesn't want to listen why should Paris listen male privilege allows you not to bother listening to women's concerns as they don't impact you

We know that trans people struggle with prejudice and many with their own personal feelings that isn't going to change with women being silenced

He's some arsehole, that's for sure. I'm happy for people to see his true woman-hating colours though.

Agreed, Olenna

I spent several happy decades, puttering along, noticing more women in public life, more women in positions of authority etc etc and thought, good stuff, things are trotting along in the right direction. Then I started to observe that if it comes down to a straight choice between a male minority and women, as with the Cologne business, as with this, women are supposed to lie back and think of other people's needs and wants first.

In other words, return to being quiet and 'good' and putting up and shutting up. It's as if women fight for their rights, and eventually get them, but can't rely on hanging onto to them.

It's depressing.

He really hates women, doesn't he?

He has just tweeted;
'It's time for some 'balance' in this 'transgender debate' so let's allow trans people to shout over everyone else uninterrupted for 50 years'

and

Trans people suffer horrific abuse, violence & murder. But let's talk about people's made-up fears about us instead!

And Mumsnet and the Guardian are giving this misogynist nightmare a voice. It's terrifying.

Yes I've often been deleted and was put into pre-mod after the Cologne debacle -just thought they'd loosened up a bit lately. Maybe not. Often they zap comments without even leaving a notification so you can't tell how the debate is going. I think with this one it must be overwhelmingly unsympathetic to the bullshit and they can't delete everyone.

I thought about that before, and came to the sad conclusion that it won't make a difference as its Muslim women who will be affected. All that will happen is they will be made to stay home more than ever before, as even a burkha or something won't be 'safe' in public as (and this may be only the person I know...maybe not widespread) ladies loos and such are where the women feel safe to take it off for a breather and readjust also.

Oh, that would be something to witness, Hermione. I do hope that it happens and that I have a ringside seat.

twogoats I've often thought that the Muslim community getting up in arms about this may be our only hope.

Can you imagine leftie men tying themselves up in knots over that dilemma?

I do wonder how the religious communities will deal with this. I have a very religious colleague who won't be alone with a strange man, I wonder how she will feel about men being in women's toilets? I'm going to ask her on Monday.

I have been deleted before and complained, not that it got anywhere.

It makes me so angry as vile misogynist comments are allowed to stand but feminist comments are deleted. I shouldn't be shocked at how women and their opinions are belittled and ignored but it still smarts.

Doesn't shock me, Shins. I've had comments deleted for sentiments even milder than that. No dissention from the trans borg is permitted on the Guardian website.

That's shocking Lumpy.

My comments stated that there are women all round the world who have to stay at home as they have no access to safe, sex based toilets and here we are giving away hard won female rights. I also said that we are moving towards self identification which will impact on women's rights as anyone who thinks they are a woman becomes a woman. Then I said that thousands of women are murdered across the globe each year, and that women have the right to sex segregated toilets. Deleted. Bastards

Sorry- mis-read as WTF is CS

Caesarean section

The gay equivalent to gold star lesbian is platinum gay. Double platinum gay is a man born by CS so he didn't even touch a vagina when he was born.

Ah I have heard this in passing before..thanks. WTF at the CS bit though

My comments haven't been deleted, yay. Definitely improving, you can tell most of the btl commenters aren't impressed and someone posted a link to that awful piece Lees wrote about catcalling. It's good in a way that people are having their eyes opened.

Bit sick of all these regular MEN wandering in to the discussion though and saying they don't mind transwomen using the ladies. Well fuck off- it has nothing to do with you, and won't affect you in the slightest, why do you have to have an opinion?!

My comments are being premoderated because of my feminist views

So what we have is the leading liberal UK paper censoring the views of a feminist for stating that people with a penis and XY chromosomes are not women.

Is that the clock striking thirteen?

My comments are being premoderated because of my feminist views but I might try and post today.

The gay equivalent to gold star lesbian is platinum gay. Double platinum gay is a man born by CS so he didn't even touch a vagina when he was born.

Take that all back, my comment has just been deleted :(