Paris Lees article on toilets in Guardian today

Interesting Titania

So, by your experience, some Muslim women could be stopped from going to public toilets if the worse case scenario happens?

Perfectly legible and very interesting, Titania, particularly the hadith bit.

An American transwoman convert to Islam made the most ridiculous vdeo about how mean the mosque is for not respecting his gender identity.

The hadith about eunuchs isn't mentioned, but his squirminess over reality is entertaining.

Aaargh!!! Why can't I edit like a normal human???? Sorry. Hope it's not illegible.

Datun at the moment no, as nobody would put up with that, but if legislation changes then I believe it will become a problem. As muslims are often seen as disregarding the rights of vulnerable women anyway, so for a mosque to challenge the law would open up a minrfield. It will judt lead to the sisyers who are conyrolle having less opportunity to go out and mix. O know this because i used to be one of them, my husband eould not have allowd me to be in a space with trans.

There are actually hadith about it, Prophet Muhammad was asked about the eunuchs and he advised keep them away from the women. Its not well known though.
There was one case of a guy pretending to be female or trans, dunno which, who set up a forum for vulnerable sisters and those who have been through abuse, so women were posting very personal things, anyway he was outed because he was asking girls to send him pictures of their vaginas as he is a 'doctor' and can diagnose any sexual problems they have!

Its a problem, and they are of course fascinated by the hijab especially if a pretty woman is wearing it.

I have had a few contact me on fb, gave them the benefit of the doubt that they are female and then they send PM's that no female would, usually they can't speak English well either. We get a lot of passport seeking young men too harassing us, and they try similar tactics.

Maybe Paris is trans chronological too?

titiania

Sex segregation based on religious reasons is something that a lot of people have put forward as another potential minefield with regards to trans rights.

Could those transwomen who contact you and send rude messages insist on access to the women only area?

I'm amazed Paris is only 28 - I assumed around 40!

I find it pretty creepy that Paris's persona is supposed to be 19 with the harassment and sexploit stories, it just makes the pornification aspect worse.

Sorry about mistakes, hard to edit on my phone.

Read the comments and its great that more people are starring to see through the bullshit, but the repetitive crap from male posters saying how they are not bothered at all was starting to boil my piss. Likewise the eejits that think this is just about toilets and who make it all about them.
Do none of these women remember being a twelve year old girl and scared if big hairy men and having to navigate menstruation which is usually unpredictable at first?
So many people just lack imagination and cannot empathise outside their own experience.
As a Muslim woman myself I am trying to raise this issue on Muslim women's Facebook groups, but the problem is most don't realise what's actually going on and what the legal issues are and are shocked and disbelieving when I tell them. I put up so many links that none thought it was important to read, but I shall continue to try.

We already have an issue with trans women. Or men pretending to be female trying to join female only groups and make friends with sisters they find attractive and then send disgusting or sexual comments to them. They usually get outed quickly and sisters will advise to block or ubfriend them.
I have to say one if the things I love about being a Muslim woman is that in most mosques our female only places are protected, and this is handy if you want somewhere to breast feed, or for hijab wearing sisters to sit and chill and just to be around other women only in a safe space is nice. In some of the stricter mosques I go to, its fine for a woman to walk through the men's part if she warns them first, to go to the office or something, but men are only allowed in the women's part with good reason and usually warn over the tannoy first or knock and wait for permission, and any dodgy men trying to catch a peak would be thrown out.

I agree with the posts that this is just another type of mysoginy from the trans women, I don't think they have any idea what it is to be a real woman (,I can't stand the term cis) and I don't think they even care.

I'm not meaning this to be rude, but I thought she was older than that!

I'm shocked.

Putting a lot of slap on often makes people look a lot older than they are.

I would have said about 36 maybe? Obviously it's harder to find this information if someone has changed their name.

Ha yes didn't think of that 😬

Oh, that's a lot younger than I had thought. I would have said 30s.

Let's not give Paris anymore Google hits. His ego is big enough!

Datun I googled Paris lees' age but there doesn't seem to be any information. Someone must know though 🤔

David Starkey is in his 70s. I don't know if our concept of middle age has become unfeasibly stretched or if it doesn't look good to dismiss someone for being elderly because that's a group generally seen as marginalised. (Not that Starkey is marginalised in any way that I can see.)

Paris Lees has said she's a lot older than people think.

(and isn't dismissing someone for the colour of their skin and their age, racist and ageist?)

I hate the idea of communal toilets. Those thin papier mâché wall that don't reach the ground or the ceiling and then an awkward foyer for hand washing with the boss.

The safest and least embarrassing loos I know are in a self-contained room, including toilet, wash basin, towels and bins, full walls and a lockable door that open without an ante room to a populated corridor. Mixed sex is an added bonus, preventing endless female queues and empty men's cubicles.

Not with me flaxen

Will i get in trouble for that ?