Paris Lees article on toilets in Guardian today

Because if everyone can misgender this person, including MSM on the basis that they have MH issues, there's a word for that. Or can you misgender someone because they can't be trans if they have MH issues. Because that's transphobic.

And if they're not 'genuine' trans-, how does that fit with the self identification orthodoxy?

...does that have to ascertained before you get a grc?

Does claiming to be five years old make him not trans?

He identifies as a five-year-old girl. So is he trans (girl) and nuts (5 years old)? Or does being nuts automatically preclude him from being trans?

Because if being nuts means you're not trans...

Very glad he's in prison. A dangerous predator.

The world has gone mad. At least the mirror are referring to him as a man

Vulnerable my arse. Predatory male more like.

Definitely a woman, happy to have him in the women's changing rooms with my dd.
Not.
(Feel free to delete this post for misgendering, MNHQ, but if you do, ask yourself if that's really the side you want to be on.)

Let's hope he wasn't sent to a women's prison but you never know.

Lurker but just read this and wanted to post a link
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/middle-aged-sex-offender-who-9403085

Another thanks to Titania from me too. Your posts are very informative.

TitaniasCloset

Me too. Very informative.

But crikey. Men! I know this is a feminist board, and I'm fairly new to feminism but really! Perhaps I shouldn't have started! But the can's open now.

Thank you!

TitaniasCloset I am finding your posts very interesting and informative.
I had wondered about the impact on Muslim women and it's interesting to hear all the background.

Amount not snout!

But as for fetishising, the snout of white men who fetishize Asian women and hijab us ridiculous. They see them as more submissive or something. Have a Pakistani friend whose boyfriend was asking her to wear hijab in bed which makes me feel a bit sick really as its a religious symbol.

Oh no, they are not gay, I'm just saying the often come from countries where women's rights or being gay is an issue. I think a very repressed culture breeds all sorts of confusion

. A lot of the MRA s from a different home culture whether in US or UK just can't handle it that we are comfortable speaking about sex or women's rights too, had one a couple of weeks ago say its OK to punch us feminists and western women but he would never treat a woman from his own culture like that, it just blew his mind that a Muslim woman can be western and identify as a feminist.

I'm making this more confused than it needs to be!! My point is its a mixed bag of crap we contend with and very difficult to work out if these men want to be women or just put a female profile pic so Muslim women will add them. Until they start actively harassing you or sending dick pics that is. We even have a Facebook page set up to have a good laugh at the passport seekers and weirdos and warn each other. Because its every day that they try to be added, whether they are men on their profiles, or trying to pass as female. I have one at the moment who I haven't bothered to unfriendly who just randomly sends me messages telling me I'm beautiful despite using a pic of a teenage girl in his profile. He hasn't been abusive yet so I just ignore.

I assumed they were likely to be converts who fetishised the veil / idea of the harem... If they are gay, why are they propositioning you (not doubting you, just trying to understand).

I haven't seen it spoken about publically, only on small Facebook groups.

A lot of them seem to be born Muslims, the type from repressive countries that have problems with gays etc. They can end up with messed up attitudes towards women so British or American sisters are seen as strange sexualized fascinating unicorns to that type of dodgy bloke. We get harassed by MRA's too if we say anything pro women's rights. But it seems at the moment that Muslim women are less likely to fanny about to save feelings and will call it as it is.

Bloody nightmare though isn't it? Has feminism gone backwards????

Prawn thanks so much for the video, haven't watched it all yet, but it gives me something else to port to wake these people up.

Titania's Closet - I am so sorry to read that you and your sisters are being targetted by TRAs. Toilets aside, I'm appalled that they are contacting you directly and demanding access to your spiritual spaces and sexually harassing you and your sisters.

I'm curious to know if this is being spoken about anywhere publicly? When I do Google searches all I get are hits re muslim transwomen being rejected by the community, etc.

Also, I'm curious to know if the individuals harassing you are those born into the faith or converts?

Also a woman can't physically be touching a man (non relative)while she prays as far as I know and men can't pray behind women, so if you don't know who is who, that buggers up praying too.

Um, I'm not entirely sure how it would work out as I'm not the strict Muslim I used to be and no longer married to a madman. (Thank you God.)

But if trans are hanging about in the sisters section or in the bathrooms at the mosque where sisters have to partially undress to get ready for prayer or are breastfeeding, I know a lot of Muslims would have a problem and either protest or stop going to the mosque or use it to keep women and girls at home more often.

A lot of Muslim women use public loos as places to adjust hijab or wash to pray too, so life in general will become more complicated and they will have to look for loos in cafes etc outside of their colleges or units or work places.

You know I really need to ask some of the sisters I know about this, the ones who are quite strict and hijabees etc as I said so many just can't see the consequences of what can happen, though when I posted my feelings the other day I got rounds of applause virtually from quite a few of my fb friends. The problem is that the media is not reporting this properly. They are insisting its an issue about where someone pees. Just not the case.

There us a Muslim women's swimming group near me, mist ladies wear leggings and a T-shirt to go in and swim and take their daughters, they would have no problem with a non muslin woman coming so Kong as she covers up a little bit more than in a normal swim session. But if trans come into that space and into the changing rooms it will change the whole thing, the Muslim women will stop going, most voluntarily but some because the men in their lives just would not allow that. I think because sometimes Muslims see themselves as outside of the mainstream that they are assuming that this issue will pass them by too.

So, by your experience, some Muslim women could be stopped from going to public toilets if the worse case scenario happens?

If so, would those women be being discriminated against on religious grounds?

There will be a lot of people tying themselves in knots trying to sort that one out.