Does having sex with a prostitute constitute rape?

' Maybe they can't be bothered with other ways to find sex ' laziness is quite possibly the WORST excuse for using a prostitute.

Regarding the info - the info is there if people choose to ignore or minimise the facts then I'd consider them to have a dubious attitude to consent in sex.

I did say I think a very small amount of prostitutes are not pimped/addicts etc but as the majority are then I believe I am allowed to consider anyone entertaining the idea of using a prostitute as not someone I would want anything to do with.

Many women are forced into prostitution so in affect are raped. I suppose it's possible the client is not aware that the woman is being forced to have sex with him. The client might not intend to rape the woman as he is unaware the woman's consent has been forced by the pimp.

Prositutes are often victims of sexual crime. For example being forced to have anal sex or anything else she never agreed to.

Of course many prositutes are under sixteen and cannot consent to sex.

I bet these people in favour of prositution laws being relaxed would not want their daughter to be a sex worker.

"You might be a Virgin at 40 and desperate to lose your virginity, you might be severely disabled, you might not want the hassle of a relationship but want to have sex."

You can be all of those things and still a rapist.

Why does a 40yr old desperate to lose his virginity trump the needs of women to not be viewed as a sex commodity?

"It's a fucked up dynamic."

This just sums it up perfectly.

And anyone who buys the Belle de Jour schtick is deluded.

Why does a disabled man's need for sex trump a woman's need to not be treated as a sex commodity?

Does anyone fancy more than one abortion, repeated treatment for various STI's and having to shove a sponge up inside you every month so you can carry on working during your period as an aside to fucking strangers for money?

The realities for women in sex trade are grim and men need to be held accountable.

No woman chooses herself into sex trade. The decision is made by external factors (clue: patriarchy).

Your quick Google also doesn't convince me of your 'absolute' claim that all paid for sex is rape.

Some is I have only doubt but not all. I doubt you'll Google anything that doesn't entirely back up your (wrong) opinions though.

1. Maybe they can't be bothered with other ways to find sex and do find (or believe they find) a consenting prostitute

1. You can't believe men aren't getting the info you are - I'm a woman (Although that's irrelevent) I have access to the same info as you and I don't believe that all prostitutes are forced. Maybe some men feel the same as me? Honestly you're allowed to have your opinion and other people are allowed to have there's. Whether it's rape (legally) depends on the intent and mindset of the person paying for sex. Your opinion can't be inflicted on everyone else in the heart world. Even on mumsnet where women and feminists are quite common not everyone agrees with you, there's been multiple.people on this thread saying not all prostitutes are forced.

A quick Google reveals many of the 'consenting' 'happy' Amsterdam prostitutes are also trafficked (mainly eastern European), poor, addicted etc don't romanticise please

Women - you're just making things up.

You don't need to be all those things. You might be a Virgin at 40 and desperate to lose your virginity, you might be severely disabled, you might not want the hassle of a relationship but want to have sex.

You're labelling people as a rapist and talking in huge generalisations. That is what is outrageous and it sounds more like you've got the issues than every single man ever that's ever paid for sex.

Some men who pay for sex (maybe the majority) are control freaks, power playing, maybe even rapists as I said before but not all.

Some terrorists are Muslim...... not all!

Punters convince themselves that you want it. That you actually fancy them and that you're orgasmic for them. It's part of the mindset.
If you don't fulfill this mindset they complain, ask for someone else, leave a scathing review.

You're consenting to fucking for money. You don't get to choose who to fuck.

The downsides of the job are rather too numerous to mention, but the punter rarely suffers from the downsides (like when his wife finds out which is rare).

"Honestly what might be more useful is not labeling every man who pays for sex as a rapist just in case that woman has a drug habit or pimp or someone else forcing her into it, but tackling the issues that cause people to go into prostitution when they don't want to." Honestly I'm really not buying that men are not getting the same information we are. Seeing the same news reports and stuff on social media, on online forums etc. If procuring/paying a prostitute were criminalised I strongly suspect there'd be a sharp decrease in customers - especially of the kind that want to be seen as 'pillars of the community' but then a lot of these 'pillars' are also punters.

"I suspect though that if we got rid of trafficking, drug habits, poverty, pimps, etc there would still be some women (and men) happy to engage in this as they like sex and see it as a fine way to make a living" as I said before there are plenty of avenues to get consensual casual even extramarital and even fetishised sex.

Woman - how does that work with sperm donation, medical trails, etc? Some people might just desperately want to help other have a family or find a cure for X but some surely do it for the money. Their consent is purchased then.

0pheliq- no never been a prostitute, although a man did once leave me money after sex (which I didn't take) I wonder how that would work, would you call him a rapist as he though he had to give me money afterwards, I certainly didn't feel at the time that because he had left me money I hadn't consented.

I actually think prostitution is a huge problem generally, I think there's too many awful situations where people are forced into it, or its their only option through poverty, trafficking is abhorrent, coercion is disgusting and I think these issues should be tackled. But I do believe that some elements of prostitution are fine, E. G. Amsterdam red light district, some informed willing adults who are escorts, etc.

Something definitley needs to be done but it's offensive to label every man who has ever paid for sex as a rapist and it's outrageous to try and stop women doing what they want with their bodies if they do consent.

Possibly very similar to wearing the niqab or other face coverings, in general I believe they are degrading to women and i believe very often women are coerced to wear them by pressure and abuse from family members, society, their culture etc but I would say that it's not right to ban these completely as taking freedoms away to do what you wish with your own body doesn't sit very well with me at all.

In order to be a punter you need to not give a shit about whether you're raping someone. You need to believe that it's more important to orgasm than to be 100% sure you have genuine consent.You need to be someone who wants to control what happens during sex and have power over your partner (otherwise you'd just use Tindr). You need to conisder the wishes and enjoyment of your partner unimportant and irrelevant.

And that doesn't sound like a rapist to you?

I was a sex worker. I was never raped. If I wanted to refuse a client I would.
I am aware that I am fortunate to never have been harmed while I was working.

MrsTerryPratchett

That man is a rapist, as to me that's not consent (talking about consent not just as being willing to do the act but by the more recent definition of enthusiastic consent that has been used in a lot of colleges /universities) any hesitation from the women or kind of vulnerability, I.. drunk, drugs, crying should put the idea in the man's mind that she doesn't consent and that's when it becomes rape. if the woman was for instance one of the women in a booth in Amsterdam and seemed perfectly fine and happy at the time to proceed I wouldnt call him a rapist.

Read the book by Sophie Hayes Trafficked, it's a book written by my friend who was forced to be a prostitute and was regularly paid by judges, police, doctors to have sex with them. She never wanted to have sex with any of them but took their money because she would have been killed had she not.

I think there is a very small percentage of people who are prostitutes who actually want to be one.

I know the thread you were talking about though and don't think the husband is a rapist.

Rollergirl7
Again
Have you been/are you a prostitute?

Consent is not a purchasable commodity. Anyone with a conscience knows this. A man cannot therefore believe that money magically gives rise to genuine consent. He knows the woman doesn't actually want to do it, so it's rape.

(Oops you did mention that last para)!

That's because of the mens rea for assault, rape is different.

Laws usually and ideally are in place that should provide everyone with the upmost freedom whilst ensuring that people's lives, rights and property is protected. I.e. some pretty wrong things are not illegal as people need personal freedom.

Not all prostitutes are forced. Therefore you can't blanket all men who sleep with prostitutes as rapist.

Even if all prostitutes were forced the men sleeping with them still wouldn't be rapists unless they knew or were negligent to the fact that the woman wasn't fully consenting.

Honestly what might be more useful is not labeling every man who pays for sex as a rapist just in case that woman has a drug habit or pimp or someone else forcing her into it, but tackling the issues that cause people to go into prostitution when they don't want to.

I suspect though that if we got rid of trafficking, drug habits, poverty, pimps, etc there would still be some women (and men) happy to engage in this as they like sex and see it as a fine way to make a living

I spoke to one woman, who has since died from an overdose, on the night she started working, I may be biased. Addicted, broke and it was the only way she knew to get money. She was crying. I'm sure she looked addicted and in tears but someone fucked her anyway.

klassykringle
Yeah not to mention the guys who demand you orgasm.
They're literally angered if you didn't orgasm during the job.

Rollergirl7
Sorry if I missed this, but have you actually chosen prostitution for yourself and if so, in which capacity?