Mixed sex wards and trans women.

Sorry posted too soon

= a man who is turned in by the thought of himself as a woman

Do you think that is reasonable? To demand female only doctors because you are uncomfortable?

What if the woman is lesbian and gets off on it?

Autogynephilia

What is AGP? (I'm gussing it's not Accelorated Graphics Port?)

Pink.

As this thread is about trans-women in hospitals,I don't particularly want anyone with a penis, looking at my vagina, thank you very much. I certainly don't want someone who is more likely to have sexual fetish doing it. No.

Oh good. Pink is here again to tell us all how we are doing it wrong.

Nothing of what you wrote there is relevant to getting up in the middle of the night and accidentally exposing your genitals to a MTF.

As to the rest, so your ranking is woman > man > transwoman when it comes to people looking at and poking your vagina? Because you are scared they might be aroused by your vagina because they might have AGP?

Why don't you just put a blindfold on and you will never know.

Lass

I may have worded it clumsily but this is my point. As the majority of late transitioning males have AGP, then a transwoman doing intimate exam is cause for concern for females, if you can't insist on an actual female.

Although men generally have sympathy for this point, they are largely unbothered - because there is no real parallels. So I invented one. The concept might be homophobic, but that wasn't my point. Nor was it intended to convey my personal feelings.

Datun , cross posts, ok.

I'm still going to feel the embarassment / loss of dignity / humiliation if I flashed my genitalia getting out of bed in the middle of the night to go the bathroom in hospital, or my nipples while I'm trying to get my newborn latched.

You feel humiliated when someone sees your genitalia?

I'm finding it difficult to work out what point you are trying to make other than it is apparently possible to determine what a health care worker's turn ons are just by looking.

And it's not due to someone's sexual orientation, whether they're gay or straight. It's due to how they present (gay or straight) and whether that presentation gives rise to discomfort based on whether or not they feel aroused. I could have used a hyper sexualised woman nurse in my example but it wouldn't convey the same point.

If I have offended anyone I'm sorry. I hope you've all seen enough of my posts to know that.

For goodness sake Lass. I'm not for one minute suggesting that, as I hope you know. I'm trying to convey a parallel, where a man might feel uncomfortable knowing that someone would be sexually aroused by giving him an intimate exam. It's not in the slightest bit lost on me that there are really no parallels! Unless you invent one.

It wouldn't bother me at all if a lesbian give me a smear test. In fact our practice nurse is a lesbian.

So what would you use as a parallel example?

And if I don't want an intimate exam by a transwoman with AGP - apparently that is Discrimation due to sexuality (definition: capacity for sexual feelings).

So if I had to have a smear test with a trans woman who had AGP how could I make a man understand what it meant, by reversing the situation?

Oh yes, because all camp, gay men just can't help but get turned on when checking out another man's prostrate in a professional, medical situation. I sincerely hope your example would fail miserably to make my son or husband understand your point.

I typed a post, but lost it so if this comes up twice, apologies.

Lass and Olennas

So if I had to have a smear test with a trans woman who had AGP how could I make a man understand what it meant, by reversing the situation?

I understand that you can't discriminate are based on someone's sexuality so where does that leave me having intimate exam by somebody who was being sexually aroused by because they have a sexual fetish?

What would a man do if he had to have a prostate exam and the person standing in front of him was male and highly camp. ( i'm not being homophobic here, I'm just making a point)

No , actually you are being homophobic.

Oleannas - I confess, I use the idea of a slightly drunk, gay rugby team as the thought experiment for men when describing how it can be for women in a male environment... Men often have trouble imagining how intimidating it can be to be among people who are bigger than you, who are in a 'flirtatious' mood, but seem to find it easier to imagine given that example.

Xeno - that's terrible. It's always been women doing my smears except for one time - and I think it's notable that the bloke is the only one who didn't warm up the metal thingy (although they were all painful until I'd had my first kid, so in that respect, there was no difference at least) - in fact I really like the nurse at my clinic - we always have a good chat (! yes, even when she's down in my nethers having a rummage!), interestingly she used to be a health visitor for a while, but went back to this because the hours and pay are better - pity, because she's such a down to earth, sensible person I bet she was a fantastic HV.

Is there a friendly receptionist that can maybe tell you which day the woman works vs. the man (perhaps I'm lucky, but all but one receptionist at my place are awesome too - super helpful and sensible)

Datun - you can't discriminate against an HCP on grounds of sexuality

Xeno - I've asked male doctors to leave the room and refused treatment from male doctors. I would tell them that I won't have the smear if they cannot accomodate my request, and I would be finding a new practice. I would have thought that with the incentives that GPs get for meeting their targets on smears they could be flexible

According to the nhs website http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Cervical-screening-test/Pages/Introduction.aspx 'you can ask to have a female doctor or nurse'. Surely that's not supposed to mean, you can ask but be refused?

Xenophile

That's so shit. FFS. What would a man do if he had to have a prostate exam and the person standing in front of him was male and highly camp. ( i'm not being homophobic here, I'm just making a point)

I need a smear. My GP surgery has a female and a male practice nurse. They have told me that I am not able to insist that I have the smear done by the female who I need to meet first. This is despite me disclosing a long history of sexual violence from men. I have to find an alternative, possibly private way round it. I would feel equally distressed if a MtT nurse was potentially going to do it. So yeah, women's needs trump feelz

I'd hope that if someone who looked like Leith was in a female ward any patient who asked would be reassured that Leith is a transman and entitled to be there. That would put my mind at rest.

I have found that the only way that I can deal with gynae stuff without it being completely traumatic is to insist on female HCPs (the one exception being a near emergency situation, where I would have let the whole All Blacks team in the room if it would have helped sort out the problem)

But a transman who looked like Laith (admittedly, he is rare and most do not pass nearly so well) isn't going to help me relax and get through the ordeal. I'm still going to feel the embarassment / loss of dignity / humiliation if I flashed my genitalia getting out of bed in the middle of the night to go the bathroom in hospital, or my nipples while I'm trying to get my newborn latched. I would feel uncomfortable if he walked across the ward from having a shower with just a towel around his waist to get changed in his cubicle - because I would think he was a man. My spidey senses might tingle that he was a transman, but possibly not if I was particularly poorly