Mixed sex wards and trans women.

Are you really a medical student? How are you going to square your feelings with treating patients? Are you able to be neutral because you seem very unhappy with gender reassignment.

Ah, that makes sense, Kidnapped - I was trying to make sense of the contradiction between the first half of her post and the second (why can't people use quotation marks, or bold type?)

Prawn, the poster Exwifebeginsat40 was quoting another poster (Lesley1980) and calling her a liar.

Exwifebeginsat40 tends to come onto threads about transwomen and says that everyone is horrible to transpeople and that feminists should shut up about it.

And what does "a trans woman, who is a part-time crossdresser" mean?

Are they a transwoman who occasionally dresses as a man? Or are they a man who occasionally dresses as a woman and is therefore a transwoman?

"We all have what is called a “gender identity,” it is formed after we are born within the first 2 to 3 years of our early development. It is this gender identity that does not match the physical body of the trans person."

We all have a gender identity, really? What actually is it? How do I know that I have one and what it is - do they run tests?

There are plenty of part-time cross dressers who are trans. There are transwomen who present as men, ffs. There are absolutely no objective criteria for being trans now.

Yes, KateinKorea, that might have been the case. However I'm still baffled about the poor patient having to have her beard shaved off. Why? Is facial hair not permitted on gynae wards?

There's a post on another recent thread by Exwifebeginsat40, 17/11 19.33 about her DH, a doctor, who has had 3 recent trans patients who were admitted onto female wards. All flashed their bits and caused widespread consternation until single rooms could be found for them.

Perhaps someone could cut n paste the post. I'm on my phone and can provide a link but not the text, which is very relevant here.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2782281-To-not-really-understand-why-some-people-are-so-upset-by-transwomen-using-public-toilets?msgid=64942064

How long will it be until we see a male gynae ward?

Are children's wards single sexed? I've never been on one

Just thinking of my DD who would be very uncomfortable with a MTF teen sharing private space with her.

Sorry, the example sarsley quoted

But the example you quote does not say it was being in the side room that was the problem and caused complications. It says that the patient's severe bleeding was ignored because the nurses didn't want to treat the patient because they were Trans. That is discriminating against the patient's human rights.

Hermione, I completely agree that wards should be segregated according to sex.
Kidnapped, I hear what you're saying. It would be wrong for the person with greater need for the side ward not to have it. But would the Trans woman then be put on the main ward? I don't think it would be fair to put them on a male ward if they've gone through the transitioning process, e.g. Have breasts, present as a woman, etc. I'm not saying I know what the answer is at all, just that it's a very complex issue.

Regardless of the dignity issues of mixed sex wards, surely it's dangerous to have people on the inappropriate ward for their health need? So a transman undergoing a hysterectomy has to be on a women's ward because he needs gynae treatment and needs the HCPs with specific knowledge of the common complications and care needed? He might prefer to be on a men's ward, but it might be to the detriment of him and also of the staff (easier to staff appropriately if all the urology/gynae etc patients are in the same place) ?

It's fucking ridiculous that self identification takes priority over sex, and means there's no such thing as sex segregated space any more

I would find it incredibly stressful to share a ward with someone male. Unless I was dying I'd probably try to discharge myself. How is that right? How can propping up someone's delusion be more important than my health?

"I'm uncomfortable that women will all be stuck on the main ward, irrespective of their clinical need, while transgender patients (who may be in better general health) occupy the few side rooms which are quiet and private".

Where else should they go, though?

And where should a female patient who has a greater clinical need for a side ward go? In the main ward?

Isn't that blatant discrimination based solely on her being a biological woman? How on earth can that be fair?

If medical staff are going to be ranking self-identified gender (which may be fluid) above clinical need then that is a huge problem.

I've just realised I've derailed my life by getting too involved in this thread! These kids should be in bed!

Ah yes Lass, I've found it.

It's tough reading. As in, the experiences they've had are just awful.

Yes she described herself as a lesbian

You're also assuming that person is a lesbian. Have I missed the bit where it says they are?

Need to check but I think the patient described herself as a lesbian

I agree one flew, and I think that very concern is covered in the document.

(By good examples of discrimination I mean these are actual examples of discrimination rather than "violent misgendering" examples we frequently see. Obviously the examples themselves are awful)

Ditto, Seashell.

The issue of Trans people receiving medical treatment is very complex, so medical professionals do need information about it.