Mixed sex wards and trans women.

Datun indeed a no, was a reference to the America movie where that quote is from.

Pink - is that a no?

Only we tend to say knickers in a twist, and that's fairly old fashioned, as it is.

Datun The Blind Side, car pool scene.

Pink

Are you American? (panties/wad).

Why would a pregnant woman who was not a transman get a side room just because they self-identified as a man? They would have no physical characteristics that might make other women on the ward feel uncomfortable, and they pose no threat to the other women, so I agree it was a flippant comment.

I'm genuinely struggling to think of a situation where a woman would be better off self-identifying as a man for non-genuine purposes TBH

Panties? Urgh - one of the worst words ever

Oh now ladies, don't get your panties in a wad. Quite funny how you talk about me being condescending and using straw men, when all you do...

Pink

On mumsnet emboldening a user's name, is a sign of courtesy. So the user can easily identify a reply.

because you lot seem hell-bent that there is some sort of global conspiracy against women by the evil patriarchy and the best solution would be to eradicate men.
Oh, bollocks.

"'Oh, I should just identify as a man'. A flippant comment...."
We're not the ones suggesting self-certification. It's the TRAs who are and whose suggestions are the reason for that comment -- hence it is actually far from flippant. It's totally relevant and the issue that is causing much disquiet to many on here.......................

Sounds like women who want to have a private room for labor and delivery should make sure they "identify as men" for long enough for a side room to be given to them

That's a bit like the comments people make about immigrants / people on benefits etc. It dismisses totally what many trans people go through.

'Oh, I should just identify as a man'. A flippant comment.

"you lot seem hell-bent that there is some sort of global conspiracy against women by the evil patriarchy and the best solution would be to eradicate men"

Point me at one place in this thread, or indeed in any thread anywhere on the feminism board where anyone has said anything even remotely like this. You are talking out of your arse, constructing a straw man with the aid of about half a piece of straw. Seriously, I want some of whatever you're smoking because it must be some strong shit for you to be so utterly unable to comprehend what other people are saying.

Sounds like women who want to have a private room for labor and delivery should make sure they "identify as men" for long enough for a side room to be given to them. They can always identify back out of it afterward...

And, you know, you will probably think I am saying that because I don't agree with you, but you have to actually understand and be able to articulate what you are disagreeing with, and you are not doing that.

Pink you are so far out of your depth and you don't even realise it. You need to read some introductory books on feminism and stop imagining you know anything about it. I am sorry to be patronising but really, you have no idea how little you know right now.

"you lot seem hell-bent that there is some sort of global conspiracy against women by the evil patriarchy and the best solution would be to eradicate men"

I do hope (for your sake) that you are very young.

The alternative is not pleasant.

Hermione and yet you bothered to embolden my username. I guess it makes for an easy life to pretend people with differing opinions are best ignored.

dragon there is absolutely no point trying to engage pink in sensible discussion. I suggest you save yourself the frustration!

I have no idea at all how you get '...and the best solution would be to eradicate men' or 'I hate being a woman because of those evil guys with penises' from this thread.

Saying that there is a problem with male- bodied people being allowed access to places which for good reasons are sex segregated just because they claim to 'identify' as a woman is absolutely nothing like the same thing those bits of hyperbole. (And many of the men in our lives would agree).

kua You would have no right to comment on what is to be a female.

Agreed. But not what I was doing. But anyway, I will leave it, because you lot seem hell-bent that there is some sort of global conspiracy against women by the evil patriarchy and the best solution would be to eradicate men. Talk about condescending and Prawn suggests without ever having read how I post or talk that it's me. Maybe Prawn try to argue a place different than MN...because yes, you have revealed a lot about yourself.

OlennasWimple I think you misunderstand the anger of many posters. It's not that we think all men are evil, nasty people (many, if not all of us, have wonderful men in our lives who we love dearly). It's that men as a class still have an upper hand over women as a class for no reason at all except that we are still living in a patriarchy.

I do not deny that (and thank you for actually posting something objectively, and I agree with others, Trump is horrendous and I do not understand how women could vote for him), but my point is that yes I am misunderstanding it - and how many others do you think will misunderstand it or purposefully so? To be frank, it sounds a bit like "I hate being a woman because of those evil guys with penises". And that is totally the wrong message (and as you said, not the one intended).

I had a similar experience to Kua, my records were mixed up with those of another patient with the same name. I only realised when I was asked about the birth of a child I didn't have. Luckily, my GP had known me for a few years so quickly corrected it.

I would suggest to all that you request to view your record, it is within your rights.

When I was pregnant with my DS my midwife was going through my record checking family history etc. All was going well until she mentioned by heroin addiction! Another patients decharge notes from hospital (Similar name) had been put in mine. They had been there for 5 years! The individual had died in the 6 months before my appointment and yet I still had to argue that I was not KEA and was obviously still alive. Honestly, check your files..

I guess it must be like when we adopted DD: she got a new NHS number and her records were changed into her new name, but the old records still exist. HCPs are never supposed to use her old name / number, nor refer to her adopted status unless it is directly relevant. (Whether the records from her old surgery ever got transferred over to our GP, we don't know however...)

That is a strong possibility, not so much now with electronic records.

They must have them ego or how would you prove immunisation

I did ask my Dad about that and if I had had chickenpox when young. He just looked at me with a blank stare.

I did move around a lot when young so I have no idea if my records ever kept up with me.