HOUSE!

Oh yes, bonus points for the Diet Coke Ad!

I'm not sure a Bingo card would be complete without a reference to the Diet Coke Ad.

Enjoy. I have work.

I was in Canada (briefly) on Weds. I drove from Toronto to MI to get home for Thanksgiving. Then we did a British anti-Thanks by going for curry with a group of ex-pats.

Today is official slob day and avoiding the shops. I may get dressed, but then again ...

I think it might be. I didn't get told off for calling 'sock puppets' at least. Thanks MNHQ.

Deleted, you say?

Is that a win?

Oh, you're in the US of A. I'm in Canada. I did my best work last night and now the threads have been deleted!

Mrs TP. It's the day after Thanksgiving here. I need to feed DD at some point but I have almost zero responsibilities today. Shall we hop all over MN calling out misogyny?

TBH - DD can make her own food. I'm all yours.

I'm feeling scrappy at the moment. I'm engaging with everyone. Make me see sense!

Pooch Post the derailment bingo card! Then disengage.

(I'm not new, it's a NC).

I think that posting up the derailing bingo card straight after a derail post with the relevant sections named can do it. Makes it nice and clear that we've noticed and aren't just making shit up.

I do think that some people are so used to only talking about things from a male pov that they just don't even know what they're doing. To them, a conversation just somehow feels wrong unless they're hearing the male voice. A bit like people who find listening to women's voices painful.

Thanks Devi for the linky.

I agree that passive resistance might work better. But sometimes I just want to give someone the sharp edge of my keyboard.

Amy - I get what you mean about ignoring but I think it's always good for at least one post to take their argument apart, for any lurkers out there.

There are a few but mrstps is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2786276-Sexism-Racism-Both?msgid=65074916#65074916

link to the winning thread or it didn't happen? (aka I cba to work out which thread it is)

Some awesome red dungarees, a pair of DMs, and a lovely ethnic scarf woven by a Guatemalan women's fair trade collective are winging their way to you now. That's Christmas sorted.

One thing which I think would be helpful would be not merely to try to ignore, but to engage with sensible posts. So when a GF tries an obvious derailment, scroll back through the thread to the last sensible comment, name-check the person in question, and respond to that sensible comment. Effectively try to talk over the heads of the derailers.

I quite fancy eastings and northings for the Bingo card - that would be suitably obscure.

The non-engagement is easy in the case where the first post is clearly trolly/goady - its the cases where initially the person appears to be trying to discuss the topic which tend to get derailed I think.

Yes, you are right of course, as is Amy when she says that of course posters should be defended from abuse. I guess, though, that once a bogus poster has trolled / derailed once I'm a bit more hesitant about giving them a second chance ...

I knew there would be an argument about coordinates! If feminists can't even unite on this trivial issue what can we agree on? Eh?

How about the middle as (0,0)?

So SomeDyke on polar coordinates: (2,0).

I see what you both mean Selkie and Xenophile. It doesn't help to only ignore any challenges and is good to debate. Some though clearly have no intention of constructive debate. Having said that I appreciate it when posters have supported me when said people have had a go at what I've said so I should understand why people do respond to them, supporting other posters is important!

Spartacus that's what I thought. It's the derailing of threads which is exasperating, they take them in another direction to suit their own agenda away from what the topic actually is. Their input is also inane and offers nothing. They are getting close to a "house" though

The non-engagement is easy in the case where the first post is clearly trolly/goady - its the cases where initially the person appears to be trying to discuss the topic which tend to get derailed I think.

I'm definitely with Amy on this score. I think that engaging with them simply fuels their fires and takes energy away from women, directs it to men and keeps us from discussing issues that are key to us. Instead of considering (for example) how right wing misogynistic men operate (as Mrs TP's thread was asking) we ended up in a fight about issues that were set by men. I reckon one of these sends a thousand words

or even a biscuit (although I can't figure out the connection between a biscuit and 'no comment'.

Hopefully, lurkers will get drawn in to the nuances of debate and discussion ... for all we know the constant bickering with a bunch of bellends could be turning them away in droves (which is what our misogynistic little maties no doubt want).

Says me, anyway.

Re coordinates - cartesian with the origin bottom LHS fgs.

Maybe we could persuade MNHQ that a high enough bingo score should lead to a ban. Hell, maybe it should even be in the talk guidelines...if you're on a thread and you indulge in several of these tactics then you're not interested in constructive engagement. You're not being clever, you're being boring and/or annoying.