Feminisim and small penis jokes

A derail?

Responding to someone saying men are less likely to be murdered, with proof that they are more likely is a derail?

Who said women aren't rational, thats dishonest! I said fearing something that isn't statistically high is not rational, whether your a woman or man.

Calling a feminist who holds a slightly different view than you on how to combat male violence and street harrassment isn't feminist, so there you are, neither of us are feminists... your logic isn't sound.

If men are 75% of murder victims, and 80% of those female victims are murdered by someone they know, is it rational for women to feel more scared of murder in public than men?

Massive pointless derail.

Ps saying women aren't rational isn't the act of a feminist

Ya know what OP - I haven't read the full thread only your first post - I've been guilty of this without even thinking of it as body shaming. It was just something I grew up with and took on board without questioning it, always in good humour of course. Only I now see it's not good humour at all, and I'd feel distain for men laughing about women's small breasts being a reason they're too full of themselves. Now I see it as body shaming I won't do it anymore. It's amazing how we can ignorantly walk around half asleep, without even noticing these things. Anyway, the important thing is that I will use my humour in a different way now.

'Come back when you face the real possibility every day of your life of being raped or murdered and we'll talk about your bruised feelings then.'

You told a man to 'come back' when he had the same possibility of being murdered, which of course we just highlighted he has the far greater possibility of being murdered.

See now you being afraid of men because they are biologically stronger, menas you have chosen to fear men. There are a ton of things you can do to counter that biological difference, and could quite easily negate the biological difference if you had to if your DH ever did come to harm you.

Fear keeps us all in shackles, release the fear and empower yourself to live as a mans equal, once someone knows you don't fear them, they are far less likely to consider you weaker than them.

Eh?

Being scared in public is rarely about being scared of murder by a stranger. Street harassment, being following, being groped, having bag or purse snatched, being assaulted... all on the list.

HTH

Did I say anything about being scared in public?

Women live with the possibility of rape, assault or murder every single day, and what's worse is we all live with the knowledge that it's our own loved ones who pose the most risk.

I'm as sure as I can be that Dh would never hurt me. But he is twice my size and strength so if he ever did I'd stand no chance. Women are socialised to defer to men because we are at real risk of harm from them.

So I really can't bring myself to give the tiniest of fucks about men's wounded feels around their penises.

Grabs

Lets say your figures are correct (some are debatable)...

If men are 75% of murder victims, and 80% of those female victims are murdered by someone they know, is it rational for women to feel more scared of murder in public than men?

Would you say the stats say, that having someone you know walk you to your car is more scary than walking by yourself?

Women feeling scared in public is not rational, and doesn't help promote female empowerment!

75% of murder victims are male, 25% are female, I'll give you that.

However, 90% of all murderers are men.

And 80% of women victims are murdered by someone they know.

Male violence is a huge problem. Men having the size of their junk mocked really really isn't.

Nope. You didn't.

Try again.

I'm still waiting

I did on the other thread

Not going to answer my question, eh?

None of that is me accusing you of playing the victim for street harrassment.

If women kept telling me to smile, I would look inward, similarly if men kept telling me to smile, I would also not be fearfull enough to consider this street harrassment.

I also don't accuse people who disagree with me as being dishonest, I challenge dishonest posts made as dishonest, such as your accusation here is dishonest!

Really, Pizan, I think you need to work on your memory. It's about three days since you suggested that I needed to smile more on the catcalling thread, and maybe then men in the street wouldn't harass me?

Your words: "So by that thought process if men keep telling you to 'smile' maybe it's a bit of time for self reflection?"

Then you went on to say this:

"It's interesting that this subject matter is perpetuating the woman as victim mentality, and when confronted with the idea that women should be equal, and therefore not act like victims, victim mentality kicks in"

And accused the posters who disagreed with you of being dishonest.

I'll ask for the third time: Which prominent feminist do you admire, and which school of thought does your feminism align to?

Because all I see from you is bluster and an underlying dislike of women, which doesn't look like any feminism I ever saw.

Is that the feminist comedians again?

'Come back when you face the real possibility every day of your life of being raped or murdered and we'll talk about your bruised feelings then.'

And we are back to 'my victimhood is bigger than yours'.

PS Men are murdered at twice the rate of women, how does that statistic impact men do you think?

Exactly Grab why the fuck should I care.

Freshwater

Evidence that. Please cite where I blamed you of victimising yourself for being harrassed, evidence or apologise!

You know how I know i'm not changing views, because this echo chamber is a safe and warm place to come and be agreed with. It's not very brave to sit and agree with everything thats said, with people who yu know agree with you. It is comforting, but isn't helpfull.

You know how I know I am challenging views, because I am, and have provided facts and evidence. It may seem like I'm banging my head against a brick wall, but if one person listens and decides to critically think for themselves then I've done my job, and that is the fight I fight every day as a feminist, I bang my head, and reach people eventually.

PS I do have to thank you however for highlighting my spelling and typing skills this morning, that i sincerely apologise for, some of my stuff must be hard to read.

Let's just ignore this thread. Small penis jokes are not something feminism should concern itself with and frankly, it annoys me that it is at the top of the tread list.

If the MRAs want to do something for men instead of against women for a change, they can protest against the jokes.

It has nothing to do with feminism.

I've been thinking about this thread today.

I've come to the conclusion I don't actually care. Boo hoo, some men's poor feelings are hurt by other people (mainly men tbf) telling them they have teeny peens.

Come back when you face the real possibility every day of your life of being raped or murdered and we'll talk about your bruised feelings then.

Don't play dumb is a very reasonable response to someone questioning whether feminists make fun of penis's, which way did that incur insult? Please uantify the level of insult you felt?

If that is insulting then you are on the same wave as the OP, maybe a discussion thread where you may here alternative opinion isn't the best place for you?

But as I said on other threads to women who were victimising themselves for no reaseon...

I was one of those woman on another thread who you accused of victimising myself by being sexually harassed in the street. So there's one.

on the most it's nice to hear some actually sympathy here

Insulting the whole board (though I'm unfamiliar with the term "on the most" - "on the whole", perhaps?)

Don't play dumb

There's another one. And that's just on this thread. It's very tiresome to read, and if you think you're changing or challenging anyone's views around here, can I just tell you - that isn't happening.

Don't play dumb - you said avoid self proclaimed 'feminist' comedians.

Who have I insulted?

I've literally said if you don't like small penis jokes avoid comedy. In your world thats an insult?

Who here, other than the OP is saying they're offended by small penis jokes, Pizan?

Are you finding it difficult to remember who you're trying to insult?

Where did I get a quote for staple? hahaha