Trans media watch are lobbying mnhq

After reading more posts on the thread:

Yes I can see that Trans activists could be damaging and are extreme. Those are not good people's or good examples of the trans movement. Extremists of Anythibg will always be a problem unfortunatly.

I still can't see why that means trans women can't use female toilets as they have cubicles. Men who are inclined to nolest women in toilets will still continue to do so whatever the 'rules'.

Since an extremely good but very critical poem about Donald Trump has just been moved to Classics, I'm assuming it's now ok to call a misogynist a misogynist.

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Because it's not just women, genuine trans people i'm getting thrown under the bus at the same time. There is a feeling of trying to disassociate themselves from the trans-activists, who are making all the demands and ruining it for everyone.

In case you haven't seen it, there is a fairly interesting thread going on at the moment about LGBT talks in schools. The thread has fast concluded that there is a massive distinction between genuine trans-people, and the bandwagon jumpers, predatory men, attention seeking type. The parents who think their children are transgender at age 2.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2782714-Transgender-Children?msgid=64995642

Brilliant posts mathanxiety

Welcome genehuntswife

Once you see it you can't unsee it

Welcome to the club, genehuntswife.

Math

Good post Math. Women and feminine men hiding together in the ladies isn't going to solve anything.

Guess what I've just discovered .... That.. I am Spartacus

Well said, Math.

Great analysis.

How the heck can 'gender' be a legal classification when (as I understand) theres dozens of 'genders' nowadays? I really wish that people would stop using gender as a polite euphemism for sex. Especially forms - esp the MN profile. c'mon, a parenting site of all places should be rooted in biological reality fgs!

Just count yourselves lucky you have never had to deal with the complications a trans person has.

And furthermore, it is not up to women to pick up the pieces and make life better for men whose lives have been made miserable for other men. The problem is men's.

By accepting as 'women' men who just don't feel like men, we are in effect accepting the hyper masculine version of 'men'. We are accepting it because we are agreeing that men shouldn't present either physically or in any other way as feminine. We are condoning the hyper masculinity that actually creates huge problems for us. Hyper masculinity complicates our lives enormously.

And we are also accepting that the definition of women is 'not men', which very clearly falls far short of what we actually are. We are not the sum of our differences from men.

Just count yourselves lucky you have never had to deal with the complications a trans person has.

We really do live in a post truth society, don't we.

Try telling that to child brides, victims of FGM, former inmates of the Magdalene Laundries, trafficked girls and women - the list of inequalities and outrages perpetrated against women and girls is endless.

I have a huge issue with the unnecessary complication in her life that my DD aged 15 might have before she finishes up in high school, where she may be required to disrobe and shower in a locker room in front of someone with a penis. It is my opinion that it should be up to her to decide when or if she does that, not the decision of the Department of Justice, enforced by her school administration.

Girls in schools in the US are the largest class of people who will be affected when/if the protection of 'gender' comes before the protection of the female sex. The entire edifice of Title IX will come crashing down. In the absence of the Equal Rights Amendment, which will be even deader in the water than it is now if gender is accepted as a category instead of sex, Title IX is all American girls and university women have to level the playing field.

Acceptance of gender instead of sex as a legal classification will mean the erasure of biological girls and women as a legal class throughout society.

I wouldn't mind betting that PL cleans up her act after that.

I think (I hope) that was just because PL was invited to blogfest and that if we come across other people we consider misogynists we are allowed to call it out.

Nah, we want an end to misogynistic behaviour so we don't have to talk about it but in the meantime it's critical that we can label the problem (even if apparently calling a spade a spade is unacceptable).

I agree, though, that if this is the balancing act that MNHQ have come up with then it is at least a lot better than more heavily moderated sites

VestalVirgin

I may be wrong, but I suspect they are trying to allow free thought to flourish, whilst having to rebut accusations of trans phobia or any other -ism. In my opinion, the more we can help them to allow this, the better.

I agree it is wrong for us not to be able to call somebody a misogynist, if they are, but on the other hand if you want to be able to call out the behaviour, it is useful for us to be able to say the behaviour of this person is misogynistic. It says the same thing, but remains within the guidelines.

Let's face it we want to be able to continue to say it.

I don't think they are. They have their rules about personal attacks, but they allow free thought to flourish.

I am really uncomfortable with the fact that apparently calling someone a misogynist is now deemed a "personal attack."

My question whether the same applies to "racist" was not answered, or if it was, I didn't see the answer.

Still Spartacus

I have been on many threads regarding trans issues.

What I've found is that many females have looked back to their previous/near puberty years and have shared their fears of how they felt at approaching puberty.

It is scary! My experiences were along the lines of;

Fuck me I'm growing boobs .
How big /small will they be?
Feck I have to ask my mum for money/ take me for a bra. Nope too embarrassed.
Periods - what if this happens in class? How can I prepare for this? Will people laugh?
Tampons or pads? If pads, will they show through my clothes, will Tampons leek?
How do I speak to my teacher if my period begins while in class?
How will I take part in gym/swimming?
Will they all know I am on my period if I sit out?

I could go on and on...

Point is puberty is scary, but we figure it out in the end.

Indeed, Karlos. Given the horrible injustice apparently being perpetrated, you'd think they'd try a bit harder, wouldn't you?

Concerning the OP. Do you think MNHQ are bowing to trans-activist pressure?

I don't think they are. They have their rules about personal attacks, but they allow free thought to flourish.

And another one squeals "you're all weally howwibble" and runs away.
If they're serious about converting the world to their way of thinking, they're going to have to get a bit better at reasoned argument. Braver, too.