Trans media watch are lobbying mnhq

Beyond ** hope you and your socks aren't too uncomfortable.

As usual, it seems like the ftm trans may being overlooked to their detriment? If mft registered as F are getting routine screening letters does that mean that an ftm who hasn't had surgery decided to register as M then they wouldn't get a screening letter? Can that currently happen?

• If the FtM is registered as a male I meant to add

Rufus

It won't happen as long as the patient and GP have notified the authority sending the letters that they have changed gender. If they don't, however, then the letter will be sent as they will assume it is a bio female.

On the other side of the issue, if a FtM doesn't notify the GP/authority sending the letters about their gender change then they won't be invited for screening.

beyond

I hope you are feeling well and on the road to recovery

(Should have said that first rather than making it all about me...again )

beyond

I hated those fucking socks

voodoo

I see what you mean but if people are allowed to 'change sex' on official forms then it cant be helped

You would like to think that a trans woman wouldnt just pop along anyway

hermione

I do not see why that is bonkers

I took it to mean that if the transwoman is registered as a female at the doctors surgery they will indeed get a smear letter as they are 'female' as far as the doctor is concerned

I may have misunderstood what you mean by bonkers though

Should be interesting to see the future stats about how many 'women' are developing prostate cancer though.

I know Hermione Even though a MtF would, presumably, not waste and HCP's time the fact is time and money has already been spent sending the letter out in the first place.

As if the NHS isn't already in crisis without this, let alone the potentially skewed figures.

Biology is so mean and essentialist!

Bugger it, I forgot to refresh this thread and I had it open for hours The screening question has probably already been discussed.

Sorry!

voodoo- that is absolutely bonkers and why medical records need to reflect sex not gender

The information Datun was given is correct re: cervical screening.

Hopefully there aren't any MtF's who are deluded enough to try and take the NHS up on the offer though.

^"If you are an MtF/trans woman aged 25 to 64 who is registered
with a GP as female, you will be invited for your smear test unless
you or your GP have already told us about your change of gender.
However, as you do not have a cervix, you will not need to be
screened. If this applies to you, let Cervical Screening Wales know.
We can update our records so you are not invited unnecessarily"^

www.screeningforlife.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/documents/1129/Trans%20screening%20v2%20English%20250516.pdf

Absolutely superb analysis Math!!! And yes please to the web chat mentioned above

Yes! Please please MNHQ?

I think MN has very few genuinely transphobic posts, but I think it is becoming seen as a bit of a beacon for transphobia amongst TRAs

I think perhaps it could be useful for all if MN could give trans folk a voice via eg a webchat. I think k a webchat with say Miranda Yardley (gender critical transwoman) and Susie Green (CEO of Mermaids) could be very interesting, as well as good for MN in terms of offering a platform to a transwoman and/or a trans ally?

Also, DramaQueen, it goes beyond anyone-who-says-he-is-a-transwoman being allowed in the women's lavs. If anyone-who-says-he-is-a-transwoman is allowed in the women's lavs, why can't anyone-who-says-he-is-a-transwoman be in a female changing room, or a women's prison, or a women's refuge?

To reiterate: I have no problem with a post-op transwoman sharing the women's bogs. I have a massive problem with the idea that my fifteen year old could be assaulted in a women's changing room by a man who was able to wander in without being stopped because he 'identifies as a woman'. Men who push the boundaries like this, insisting that 'I am a woman because i say so and if you say I'm not you're a horrible transphobe' make the world a much harsher place for both the sort of post-op transwomen who redo their mascara in women's toilets, and women.

To follow on my thought - this is why I just don't believe it'a about just wanting to pee - because there are plenty of options for peeing that don't involve going into women's toilets.

It seems to me that it's more important that it's the women's toilet than that there are toilets to pee in.

I still can't see why that means trans women can't use female toilets as they have cubicles. Men who are inclined to nolest women in toilets will still continue to do so whatever the 'rules'

Mens toilets have cubicles too - why can't they use those? Why do transwomen get to decide that men are too scary to share a toilet with (despite being biologically male themselves), but women can't feel the same way?

Given that there aren't a lot of reasonable advocates of the trans movement in the media etc, I'd say these transactivists are good examples of the trans movement.

What do you mean by 'trans women'?

What is a trans woman? Someone who has had surgery? Someone who takes hormones? Someone who wears women's clothes? Someone who has a penis?

Who decides what a trans woman is exactly? When is someone trans enough? Or not enough?

How can we tell the difference between a trans woman and a 'man inclined to molest women in toilets'?

Men who are inclined to nolest women in toilets will still continue to do so whatever the 'rules'.

The problem with that is that more people who are allowed in under the rules, the higher the chance of a predator coming in.

If self identification is the only criteria, there is nothing to stop any one coming in.

Whilst we were all fine with the odd Tranwoman using our bathrooms, and have been for years, now you can expect a man with fully intact genitalia who is attracted to women, sharing the bathroom with your 11-year-old daughter. And the showers, or changing rooms, etc.