Trans media watch are lobbying mnhq

Naughty Voodoo

“It was a tough course, especially after the river crusts,” Bearden said. “I had sweat in my eyes.”

It was probably dripping off their balls too.

Is that protective padding down the front of their cycling shorts

Bambambini

One interesting comment in that article, which rather seals the deal, is that if hormones are the governing factor in determining advantage, where all the transmen winning all the male sports?

Prawn

That why it has to be legalised. It has to be set in law that the sex segregated toilets are for that biological sex only. No choices.

You could end with the ladies used only by TRA types and allies, the gents by men and the gender neutral ones by everyone else.

The trouble with having three toilets is that while the empathetic transsexuals will probably use the gender neutral ones, the TRAs will insist on using the ladies because anything else doesn't confirm their gender feelz or their AGP.

"it's absolutely huge" the transgender athlete said (of her victory)

I started a thread about this in chat but it will disappear in 90 days.

Regarding folks worries about transwomen in sport, this report is from a few days ago. A transwomen Jillian Bearden was placed female first place a bike race in Tucson. I've seen some comments from other female competitors saying how angry they are. Bearden's friend and team mate, another transwomen placed 20th. So 2 transwomen (who knows if there were more) placed in the top 20 places. The comments are interesting. A trans support page, is full of Transwomen and their supporters slapping each other on the back for this a amazing progress for trans rights.

tucson.com/sports/local/transgender-cyclist-is-top-female-finisher-at-el-tour-de/article_2c7d291f-4376-57a6-9578-3831353032bc.html#comments

Hecalledmecarrots

The trans party line is always. IF someone commits a crime they will be dealt with, as usual. The fact that the students felt uncomfortable and unsafe due to a perceived threat BEFORE a crime happened is deemed irrelevant.

THREE toilets. Three everything in fact. Women can be safe and the rest can just enjoy the chaos.

At my uni, they seem to have added a token gender-neutral toilet in some newer buildings, and converted some toilets to gender-neutral in some of the older buildings. I think this is an attempt to make some provision, whilst admitting that if, for example, they tried to make all the toilets gender-neutral, many of our students would object strongly for cultural/religious reasons.

I can't comment on what they may have got up to in the students union.............

I read the article to mean that there are three types of toilet: mens, ladies, gender neutral

Or did they just make all the toilets gender neutral!
Have you ever seen (and smelt!) a gents?

Interesting though. Did the university have three available toilets in the library - men's, women's and gender neutral? Could that be actually quite a good idea? Then the ladies could be strictly for biological women only.

This would be the most logical solution to it all. But apparently this idea is 'othering' so rejected.

Or did they just make all the toilets gender neutral!

Interesting though. Did the university have three available toilets in the library - men's, women's and gender neutral? Could that be actually quite a good idea? Then the ladies could be strictly for biological women only.

What would the third-wavers say to the female students who voiced their concerns to the university about the safety of these loos I wonder?

From what I have seen, its usually...anyone can get into the loos anyway, and this person is obviously not transgender or anything as a transgender person wouldn't do that.

Eh? He was banned from women' toilets or three years? But he's a man. How does that work?

A bit off topic, but a lurker here, becoming more and more Spartacus by the day.

In the Fail today:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3967234/Man-secretly-filmed-women-undressing-UEA-sentenced.html#comments

What would the third-wavers say to the female students who voiced their concerns to the university about the safety of these loos I wonder?

Another Spartacus is born. Welcome Sickof.

This is why transactivists are so desperate to stop the trans debate on MN: More and more people's eyes are opened to the issues on every trans thread.

I am so glad I have taken the time to read this thread, thanks OP. I tend to avoid the trans threads because I thought we are all fighting the same battle, and I was/am so confused by the labels being used, but this has opened my eyes. I don't have anything to add to the debate, but at least I now appreciate the argument being made. And it has made me angry.

Here is one description of feminist 'waves', although I am angry that the author has made a straw-woman of the second wave, diminishing its achievements and homogenising it (when in fact it spanned at least 30 years and was comprised of many different ideologies. It's also bollocks to say that SWF did not recognise difference and that this came with the writing of bell hooks. UK feminism and also early French feminism borrowed heavily from Marxist analyses that put social class up front and centre. See Juliet Mitchell and / or Christine Delphy for example. And race, age and sexuality were certainly topics for debate and discussion too.

Third wave began with DIY feminism and Go Grrll and was still quite radical, although it tended to privilege individual agency and autonomy at the expense of structural constraints. I'm not sure what it has evolved into. I think the question of what the fourth wave is is still open to contention.

www.psa.ac.uk/insight-plus/feminism-fourth-wave

*A transgender man is angry after being banned from the male changing room at his GYM.

Furious Ali Ramezan, 27, was born a woman and is currently undergoing hormonal therapy with a view to a full sex change to a man.*

This turn of phrase really irritates me. Who is born a woman? Last time I checked we were born babies (male/female) and grow up as boys/girls and become men/women.

Why is basic English so so difficult for journalists? You'd think they'd understand language cos it's their job?

I have reported HelenJanice's post.

Imgoing2 - transvestites are probably still around, but transgender individuals are different.