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I don't know any trans people at my sons' school (which is all boys). I hope if there were it would be handled well. There are not many all boys' schools left in the UK now by the way. Even private schools have tended to put girls into the sixth forms of all boys schools to increase A level grades or keep pupil numbers up except in a few rare cases like Eton, Harrow and of course some other kinds of schools. I think we have local boys and girls separate Catholic schools but then a joint mixed sex Catholic sixth form college around here. I don't have any statistics. I suspect most boys in an all boys school who felt born as a girl would probably get their parents to move them to a mixed school

This is an interesting (and unscientific) cross section of girls' and boys' reactions to news that their parents had eaten all of their Hallowe'en candy.

I counted four girls who either don't like candy too much or have been deeply socialised to be nice. All the boys showed different levels of shock and anger.

Perhaps the editors chose to show a wider range of reactions from girls - it's possible there were many videos from parents of boys showing meek and muted responses but only those 'typical' boy responses were chosen. I don't know if the four girls I noted were the only ones among the thousands of submissions who displayed unusually stoic responses. As I say, this is unscientific.

I suspect that those pushing for individuals with male anatomy to be admitted into girls' and women's spaces are ready and willing to take advantage of the anticipated niceness we have been trained to present.

I'd be very interested to hear of any statistics where boys are coming out as trans in an all male school.

Especially as the boy in question is known by the girls to be pervy and groped them on occasions.

Whether his new identification is genuine or not, these girls know he is a threat.

It is exactly the situation that everyone knew would eventually happen. And it's being sanctioned by the school!

I'm quite liberal normally but on this issue I feel quite strongly that it is wrong - as if the school changing rooms weren't terrifying enough anyway¬!

I still cannot fathom how this can be real. I mean I know it is real... but I simply cannot understand how anyone responsible for safeguarding children would think it was OK to put an individual with male genitals in to change with the girls because he 'felt like a girl', even though the girls are distressed, and this is setting aside that the male individual in question has had a dubious history of abusing girls ... and then to talk to the girls about tolerance? What kinds of mixed-messages are we giving our girls? 'Your body is yours and 'no' means 'no', unless someone with a higher authority says you have to say 'yes' because otherwise you will be accused of intolerance and bullied?' Fuuuuuuuuuuck. And I don't think the bullies give a shit about trans rights - they are just using this to tease, bully and cause drama.

Ten girls using the teachers toilets will become annoying pretty quickly for the staff. I wonder how long the school will let that happen, before looking for another solution ?

The trouble is that the pressure to be cool and broad minded is so great. Girls are socialized to take care of others and to accept male demands. So 2/3rds of the girls are acting as if it's fine to have a boy, a sexually predatory boy, in the changing rooms. They may each feel very uncomfortable but the pressure is on not to show it.

It's really hard for kids to go out on a limb. But God, if I could put my brain into their heads (ironically) for just a few days...

I realise it's probably not a viable solution for you monkey, but it makes my blood boil.

monkey

What would happen if ALL the girls used the staff changing area?

Partly for safety and partly to make a point

What would happen if all the girls decided they'd like to identify as male for the foreseeable future: they could wear trousers and demand access to the boys changing rooms.

Get the school to confront the lunacy of the situation

monkey

What would happen if ALL the girls used the staff changing area?

Partly for safety and partly to make a point

No idea, but its not going to happen. I mean, the other kids are going to clock whoever is using the staff facilities instead of being 'inclusive' and pick on them even more aren't they, so this is not a solution by any means. DSD is already worried about this given she has already had abuse for daring to speak up in the first place. Apparently most of the 'transphobic' comments have been coming from guys...and when asked how they would feel if it was the other way round the answer tends to be 'it would be great if a girl wanted to get changed with us' or words to that effect

Ugh.

monkey

What would happen if ALL the girls used the staff changing area?

Partly for safety and partly to make a point.

Monkey I'm horrified that this whole situation is supposedly being done on behalf of people like my child.

This is not being done in our name and I'm as unhappy about it as everyone else.

The parents of the child in your dsds school are bloody stupid imo. If their child really does have GID then they need space and time to come to terms with it, counselling and privacy until they figure it out, not to dive right in and trample all over the rights of everyone else while they make their minds up.

Trans rights don't have to eradicate the rights of everyone else.

I am actually disgusted by your childs situation Elsa.

In DSDs situation it is the child (or their parents) pushing for access to the female areas. I do understand it can be difficult for the school but this 'females opinions don't matter, we have to make one child comfortable and fuck the rest' is clearly the wrong approach.

But in your situation..your child is happy with things the way they are..so it will actually benefit noone at all forcing them to change the way things are. Infact its chance to make your childs situation even more difficult than it already is for them..I cannot see the reasoning behind that at all.

to both Wanking's DSD and Elsa's DC - what a fucked up situation all round

Would she be able to change in accessible toilets for the short term until the school figure something out?

They don't have accessible toilets :S

The girls have been told they can use staff facilities but there is no 'for now'..this is apparently permanent

I think that's what it is. They have forms to fill and boxes to tick and being 'inclusive' is one of the things they have to do regardless of what anyone else wants.

Oh charming! Using a child in a way that the child does not want so they can show they are inclusive. Talk about using a vulnerable person as a means to an end.

to be seen as 'inclusive' even though the current setup works fine

I think that's what it is. They have forms to fill and boxes to tick and being 'inclusive' is one of the things they have to do regardless of what anyone else wants.

I have started sending my child into school on pe days with black jogging bottoms on instead of school trousers and a white tshirt under their shirt and jumper so they can go to the toilets to get ready.

The added complication is that nobody knows about my child here so we have that to contend with too.

Would she be able to change in accessible toilets for the short term until the school figure something out?

Elsa, I feel for your DC too. I can also imagine how confronting that must be. It is like a forced 'outing' :(.

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Oh dear, my keyboard doesn't like me today

But surely, that would make your child more uncomfortable..make them more prone to bullying AND make others cuncomfortable at the same time? Why on earth would they be pushing for that...to be seen as 'inclusive' even though the current setup works fine (I assume from your post) for everyone?

Its all gone too crazy for me and I honestly don't know how to approach this with DSD. Her mum wants me to take the lead as she is still learning about it all herself (only started last week looking into stuff, as it never affected her before), but I cannot answer any of these questions for her as I don't even understand how I can start to..

Monkey I'm so sorry about your dsd.

In our case my child is having the same issue. My child, who doesn't want to use the toilets and changing rooms of the sex they present as currently, is being very strongly encouraged by the school to do so.

My child was fine using the accessible toilets and facilities before all this and has been doing so for years.

Oh, Monkey! That is appalling :(. I don't know what to say. I'm literally speechless. Those poor girls.

DSD is actually with me now. I have asked her how she would feel if it was any other guy who had 'came out' and they were in the same situation. She says she would still not feel comfortable and then asked me why we even have seperate girls/boys facilities if being a girl or a boy doesn't actually matter...which I cannot answer as I don't know. She says she feels more uncomfortable as this guy has felt up her friends before and the general feeling among the schoolkids is that he is doing it 'just to be a perv' but apparently most don't dare speak that view in public and some who have spoke that way among friends join in with the bullying of those who speak out publically...in the hope of avoiding being branded 'homophobic' themselves

(Apparently they don't all understand it enough to even use the right word, some say transphobic, others say homophobic.)