British woman 'arrested in Dubai after reporting rape'

This is reason number 5498874 to detest men.

I am yet to come up with reason number 1 to like men...anyone care to help me out?

If you were fully covered at home with your father and brother and someone broke in and grabbed you and you fought them so hard that you died trying to prevent it then you might be considered to have been raped. A women's virtue should be valued so highly that she would rather die than be raped so anything short of fighting them till they kill you means she probably wanted it.
It's like being in the dark ages, It makes our legal system seem enlightened.

He's a Chedder, can't be expected to have any respect for women.

Jesus wept. You're choosing to be finicky about that?

She wouldn't have been arrested had she not reported the rape. It's ridiculous to pretend the two things aren't linked.

It would be impossible to have any true idea of the rape stats because of the law there.

Yes. As the saying goes, never trust statistics you haven't forged yourself ... I bet if they publish any statistics at all, they boast about having zero rape. Because, hey, no woman ever reports rape!

With countries where marital rape is perfectly legal, and all women are expected to marry, we can safely assume that a very high number of women is raped by their husbands and never turns up in any statistic.

It would be impossible to have any true idea of the rape stats because of the law there. Women cannot report a rape without facing jail time themselves and even if they do it isn't considered rape so wouldn't be recorded as rape.

Ozy I too had heard they were British, but were also being detained while the case was investigated and hadn't yet left the country.

I don't know what the rape stats are like in Dubai, but I imagine that when women who live there are raped they know not to report it. [Sad]

Allegedly the men who raped her were British, and have now left the country.
Absolutely disgraceful.

I remember the case in Qatar. I have a friend who moved there recently with her husband and their teenage daughters - I just find it incomprehensible why anyone would want to bring up a daughter in that environment. Still can't get my head round it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36516006

www.newstatesman.com/middle-east/2013/07/shocking-case-marte-dalelv-shows-why-we-should-be-boycotting-dubai

It's just abhorrent, and sickening. I recall their was a similar case in Qatar recently. In that case the woman was convicted and served a jail sentence.

There is no way on earth I will ever choose to holiday in a country that doesn't grant people like me basic human rights. These places are sold as luxury destinations, but their laws and approach to human rights are nothing short of barbaric.

What's the law regarding rape in Germany?

Well, it was recently updated to no means no. Previously, apparently a woman had to physically fight back for her case to stand a chance in court, because a "threat of violence" was required for it to be considered rape. (I am not sure if it covers the rape of unconscious women even now. After all, an unconscious woman can't say "no".)

Also, groping a woman against her will was legal as long as she had not stated her unwillingness to be groped. (Which is bonkers, do you walk around telling all men who get within a metre distance of you that you don't want them to grope you?) This was, according to my knowledge, what lead to the law to be updated, because it was those creepy brown men who attacked women in a scandalous mass sexual assault. The regular sexual harrassment by German men wasn't enough to warrant a law change, it seems.

And of course there is this recent case where a woman was raped on video, saying "no", and this was interpreted as her saying "no" to the filming, but not the sex. (Which is utter nonsense; if she didn't consent to be filmed during sex, then her consent to the sex was void the second the man started to film.) The video seems to still be on the net, by the way, and she is now being accused of making false rape accusations.

There was also a case where a man who had raped his daughter over years and years walked free because she only fought back during the first ten rapes or so and that was already too long ago, and didn't try to fight back anymore during the rapes that fell in a timeframe when they could still be persecuted. (And this was incest, too, which I am pretty sure is illegal regardless, but somehow, the judge managed to let the rapist walk free or get away with a laughable sentence)

Those cases are only some few, but it is a disgrace that such a thing can happen at all.

That's what I mean by "not civilised".

Much, much better than Dubai, of course.

But I will only consider a country civilised if justice is guaranteed. A country cannot guarantee absolute safety, but there should be justice.

I feel very sorry for this woman, and cannot comprehend why anyone would visit Dubai if they had a choice not to. I hope the British government are working to get her home and charge the men

No, she had sex. It was against her will which in our eyes makes it rape, a crime. To them the fact she did not consent is an irrelevance. DH spent 2 hours trying to explain the technical difference to me. It's a disgrace but it's their law. She needs help to get home and young British women need to be educated about visiting such a cave.

Didn't you know the poor men just can't control themselves?

She shouldn't have been where she was, shouldn't have been wearing what she was and shouldn't be doing what she was.

That's the rules in their heads

No, in Dubai women are to be pure because they drive men to rape them if they aren't.

That kind of thinking has been prevalent in much of the world until relatively recently.