British woman 'arrested in Dubai after reporting rape'

Slender, have you noticed a correlation between "high profile posters" and victim blaming on this thread? As someone who probably fits your criteria, let me reiterate for you that nothing this woman did meant that she deserved anything. Let me further suggest that you go back and read those posts again on this thread because not a single one blamed the woman for men raping her, they were more around why she expected the country to take her being raped seriously, given their legal system.

So, not victim blaming for the rape at all.

Different User147..., Tropezienne. That's the problem with not changing the user name.

I agree that it would seem very, very unlikely that a woman would make up a rape allegation in Dubai and then report it to the police. And we know that even in this country some people have very odd ideas about what 'consensual' means - in some people's minds a woman has given consent if she's been talking to a man beforehand...

I suppose we'll never know exactly what happened. In a way it would be helpful if there could be some sort of inquiry in the UK in cases like this, to establish what happened. But I assume there is no basis in law for this.

It's absolutely horrendous that this happened. I have great respect for the victim for challenging the legal system there by forcing them to publicly deal with an accusation of rape. As heinous as it is, at least this incident has drawn public attention to it.

In the past I have suggested women may wish to lower their chances of being picked off by a predator through not getting blind drunk on their own or going home with someone they don't know. Those suggestions were shouted down as repressive and victim blaming

So it's interesting to see that this poor woman has been blamed on this thread for not staying out of Dubai and other misogynistic. countries, and for trying to report such a crime. I don't think she did anything wrong or 'reckless' and it's rather bad form to suggest, at this stage, that she has.

Quite often on this board I've seen that women can be ashamed and victims can be blamed - but only if the high profile feminist/regular posters have decided they ' deserve it '. This is in one situation in which it was most certainly not 'deserved'.

Users earlier posts were just hateful, foul mouthed rants about men. So I'm wondering what this person's game is?

aka, User147... (not the one who was apparently banned/kicked out)

Kissing in a club, lift & corridor is pretty irrelevant in my view. The CCTV could show her dragging both men into the bedroom, that doesn't constitute consent and I like to think (naively?) the police wouldn't confuse the point. Nice view? Amazing bathroom? Interesting carpet pattern? Admittedly, If your all over each other as you enter the room, it might make it a tricky argument in court but consent is consent.

I am (again naively?) going off my ingrained 'trust the police' thought pattern when I hear 'video showed consent' and assume some form of sex tape, ie it actually showed her happily engaged in it. The fact they are Dubai police makes me uneasy though & having slept on it I am swinging back the other way towards 'Dubai police aren't to be trusted'.

As for Dubai & the ilk, I have a deep disdain for them. I don't like the way they treat/think of women, I don't like the reports of their cheap labour and I don't like the fact these stories keep coming up. Whilst it ticks every single box for me holiday wise, the principles of that corner of the world disgust me. My parents didn't follow a job over there for this very reason.

I posted due to some of the early comments along the lines of ''another reason to hate men'' when there was evidence being unearthed about the possibility of it being consensual. I also feel somewhat uneasy about the fact the 2 ''suspects'' were publicly hanged (an over dramatised statement by me I admit). Posting their names, pictures, jobs etc when they may well be innocent guarantees them a very difficult few years ahead. That's a whole different discussion though.

Those guidelines are horrific. More like a list of rape myths. urgh.

Totally agree boffee.

Thanks, KindDog

So the video might be CCTV showing her speaking with one of the men in a club or restaurant, perhaps kissing and leaving together, and then that might be enough to fall into that first category.

Any thoughts, user147?

I have to say, if I had a sudden urge to make up a rape allegation against british and I was British, i would surely figure out doing it in Britain was safer.

But I guess if you start from the premise that women are generally liars about consent, you can bend your mind to all sorts of things. You aren't starting from that premise, are you, user147?

How true, Lass.

We're all adults here, having a healthy discussion*

"We're all adults here" oh how that phrase irritates. You just know it's a preface to something obnoxious.


How can it be that the UAE authorities say the video 'shows it was consensual' do you think? Just that she wasn't fighting and screaming?

I have been trying to look up their laws: www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/international-coverage-of-uae-law-ignorance-is-no-excuse#page2

"If a women is under the influence of alcohol and there has been fondling and she has agreed to go with the suspect to a private place, then the court might consider this as consensual sex."

"Every factor is considered, like how far or strongly did the victim resist," he says*."

"The incident might have started out by force then the victim might have got aroused and consented. If this is the case then they will both be charged with adultery."

It would be more than strange if she had had consensual sex then, gone to the police, in a foreign country, with all that entails, to falsely say she'd been raped.

Reading the reports I'm not sure she was arrested I think (And I have some experience of the UAE legal system) she had her passport seized and was unable to leave the country which is standard practice for any foreign witness in any criminal offence.

Wait, what?

She makes an allegation of rape and is jailed for extramarital sex. The rape is then "proved to be consensual" (whatever that might mean), and she gets let out of jail, because she had consensual sex. That is messed up! She doesn't get punished for the act she consented to, but DOES get punished for the act that she couldn't consent to?

Something stinks here.

A real username (not your real name, obviously) is the convention of the site and makes it easier for others to chat to you.

There are a myriad of user-numberstrings, many of whom are user147... at present and it's easy to lose track.

You will have a better experience of the site with a better name, as responding to JellyfishCrumble, say, is easier than the alternative.

However, it's quite possible you don't care about having a good experience of the site or making it more pleasant for others to interact with you. In which case

User didnt you have a load of hateful posts deleted earlier in this thread? I'm not sure what your game is..?

Did she make the whole thing up? I'm seeing really vague media reports. I'm genuinely baffled. Her photo is in the Sun ive seen. I used to live in Abu Dhabi, it was a terrifying place for a young female.

It was a healthy discussion before you joined it user. Not sure why you think it wasn't.

Am I missing something here? What false accusations? What "fact the video shows it was consensual"? Have you seen the video or something? What public hanging of the accused?

If you have a problem with the commenters on a Daily Fail article, feel free to take it up with them and good luck with that. Not sure why you are expecting us to justify what people we don't know or probably don't even have the same political views as, are saying?

You don't seem to be bringing much to the party here.

Ah, so they haven't been publicly hung then.

The media includes more then just the Guardian. Whilst that is fair, the usual suspects have been pretty damning. Sun, mirror, Daily Mail etc etc...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3944726/Pictured-TOWIE-star-James-Argent-two-Brits-accused-gang-raping-UK-worker-faces-jail-extra-marital-sex-lounge-pool-Dubai-days-alleged-attack.html

They skirt the lines very well, but play to the baying crowds. The ''perpetrators''; naming them, pictures of them, their occupations, value of houses(!) & area of the country they're in etc etc. That's enough for most of the population to form an opinion of them.

The comments about their gender obviously making them guilty & it being yet another reason why men should be hated prove my point, no? Even though on the face of it, with the evidence so far demonstrated, makes it look like the only law broken is her false accusations? (as per Police comments)

As for a real username, what difference does it make? We're all adults here, having a healthy discussion. :)

I think that's the statement that has been made. I wouldn't put any weight on its substance

As consensual extra marital sex is illegal, if that's what it showed, why release her?

The reality is the country is trying to progress and although extra marital sex is strictly speaking illegal a blind eye is turned. Thousands of men and woman live together/stay in hotels together without any issue.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/17/briton-reported-rape-dubai-extramarital-sex-charge

Where have you seen themen being publically hung in the media? This, for example, is a factual report.

I think that's the statement that has been made. I wouldn't put any weight on its substance.

As consensual extra marital sex is illegal, if that's what it showed, why release her?

It's helpful for interaction to pick a real user name, user147

For the sake of healthy discussion..... what does everyone think of the fact the video shows it was consensual? Or is it just going to be a... ''the police must be lieing''

Wonder what the Media will make of it, seeing as they have already publicly hung the two men involved?

Me neither Welshmoth.

It's testament to disgraceful hypocrisy, notably of C4, who, if they did had a scrap of integrity would be promoting a boycott of the place and not encouraging us to go and "experience" it.

Experience it? Like this poor woman did? Or as Marte Dalelv did and so many other have?

She has been released.

A video "showed it was consensual" (!)

Glad she is free though.

Another who is really struggling to see the appeal of this medieval country. To me, the shiny buildings, exclusive shops and mega-luxury hotels and sandy beaches masks a hypocritical regime that dips in and out of sharia law. Fucking frightening.