British woman 'arrested in Dubai after reporting rape'

Dubai will never feature on my wish list
Nor mine, but unfortunately I think it may be pretty high on lots of people's wish list, without them realising at all that underneath it all it is utterly primitive and pretty savage.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Thu 17-Nov-16 21:49:49
I'm with Vestal on this. Of all the places one can go on holiday to why choose this one?

I really think it is painted as a glamorous and super modern place to go, and also a place of opportunity. I don't think all people are necessarily knowledgeable about its laws as a consequence. It is a stop over place for many air routes now too - a warning should come with the plane tickets

Okay, I'm getting dragged into this. I suppose I'm one of the "regular posters" (although I'm frequently at odds with the concensus) I frequently don't agree with VV although I don't think either of us have ever said anything along the lines of "she was asking for doing x,y z". On the contrary I've spent all my adult life doing things which rape apologists might tut at.

I concede that if you were new you might put the spin being put on it but,, and I am sure I am speaking for VV, it was the country we were criticising not the person. Lord knows I'm majorly into posh shops and posh hotels but Dubai will never feature on my wish list.

It's hard when you're as dumb as I am, mortificado. Like rubbing your tummy and patting your head.

Just don't let the mouse pperate your eyeballs, pooch

LassWiTheDelicateAir Thu 17-Nov-16 21:49:49
I'm with Vestal on this. Of all the places one can go on holiday to why choose this one?

I really think it is painted as a glamorous and super modern place to go, and also a place of opportunity. I don't think all people are necessarily knowledgeable about its laws as a consequence. It is a stop over place for many air routes now too - a warning should come with the plane tickets.

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Interestingly enough, the only place I've ever come across the phrase 'hard of thinking' (and a lot more besides) was on the feminist board! So I think you can cope and if you will play dumb...

Dodge, evade and snipe all you like - the view was never going to welcomed but it needed to be said. I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling depressed by the truly dire double standards here at times. No one gets to make the rules up in the first place, never mind decide which ones can be broken because, for some reason, it won't count as rape apology (it did).

Anyway, better things to do on a weekend night. Be sure to enjoy having the last word

Is that in case we couldn't scroll back and read for ourselves, slender?

I mean, I'm intentionally hard of thinking and all, but I can operate a mouse and my own eyeballs.

VestalVirgin Thu 17-Nov-16 18:20:35
This is one of the situations where I feel tempted to victim-blame. I mean, really, how did she expect to get a rapist arrested in Dubai?

Of course, I do blame the government. But since fighting against governments is hard and has little likelihood of success, I just wish British women (and all other women who don't have to live there) were sensible and wouldn't go to Dubai for holidays.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Thu 17-Nov-16 21:49:49
I'm with Vestal on this. Of all the places one can go on holiday to why choose this one?

Yes, very nice. That sort of opening line makes me skip the post. Doubt I've missed much.

"For the intentionally hard of thinking,"

Nice.

But as none of that has been said or suggested in those terms slender, you have no point. You're merely doing what you always do and ascribing views to people that they patently don't hold and then becoming more and more incoherent in defending your views.

You have said that "prominent posters" on this board have said things they haven't said and you have said it in order to continue your vexatious trolling of women who post here. Purely because they have repeatedly asked you to challenge your rape apologist views which has made you angry and defensive. You have now mistakenly got the idea that women are blaming this woman for being raped whereas what they were actually doing was wondering why she felt she would have had a sympathetic hearing in the country she was raped in.

That you can't tell the difference says an incredible amount about how little you understand.

Appalling that this happened, legally a backwards country. However I don't understand why she reported it. She must have watched the news in the past to know what Dubai is like!

I mean slender

I wasn't talking to you specifically alsender. I do think that holiday makers should boycott this place.

Let their airlines and hotel rooms stay empty until they join the 21st century.

For the intentionally hard of thinking, where I'm going with it (or have gone with it!) is this.

Women can travel to, and live in, any country in the world. They should not feel there are places where they 'should not' go because they are women. If they choose to go somewhere with risks and are assaulted, they are in no way to blame for what has happened. It should not be suggested that they are to blame, or that they should not have gone there in the first place.

It doesn't matter who you are. Saying, 'this is one time when I feel like victim blaming' is not on. It's exactly the same problem regardless of the speaker. If it's not ok when said by a man, or by another women who isn't 'in the club', then it's not ok, period. Likewise, it's not ok to attempt to shame or punish another woman no matter who you are and no matter how much you do for women generally. The rules apply to everyone.

I know women who have been brave enough to carry out support work in places like Dubai. They are aware of the risks. It would be oppressive and wrong to suggest that they 'shouldn't' be there because of those risks - or to comment on their behaviour in being there if they were to be assaulted.

No idea where you're going with that, slender. (Or should I say where you've gone with it?)

I don't think any of us, including Lass, would be happy if she were to be held up as the typical FWR poster.

I don't think Vestal victim blames at all. And she is, after all, just one poster of many here. There's no hive mind.

Its incredibly simplistic and alright for some, to say women should just stay away from Islamic countries. What do you say to someone who is unemployed, skint, has debts, and kids to support but gets a descent job offer in the UAE for good money and a chance to build a career for herself by spending a while there working?

Women will travel but when travelling to this state, or any other Islamic country they should report this type of thing to their embassy rather than the Police. The authorities will automatically see HER as having offended the Shariah and she will be punished for it. Sounds like this woman might have got off lightly !

Not you sob- no need to be patronising.

Vestal and lass I think...who is Not A Feminist, I know!

I'm not blaming the woman at all

Im blaming the country for going after the woman and not the men.

Difference

And yet you did respond

Nope, not biting, sorry! I wouldn't discuss the weather with you.

However, just out of interest, which "high profile posters" have actually blamed the victim for being raped as compared to them asking what she expected from reporting rape in a country with religious laws along these lines? I am genuinely interested in how I have misread these posts.

Of course you will. Nice name change by the way.

You're obviously reading selectively x but I couldn't give a damn about your opinion frankly. I will ignore future posts from you
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It seems that the dubai authorities have an agenda not to prosecute rape and also to penalise women who report rape. The apparent illogical nature of the decisions makes sense to me. They are no longer using the sexual relations law in any real sense. It's there simply to being as a discouragement to rape victims. So that effectually means it's illegal to be raped but not to have sex. I don't think there's anything truly cultural or religious about this-it's just sexism dressed up as the law of the country. A game.