LGBT Talks in School

Well said SomeDyke. And VincentVL I'm appalled that kids are being teased and accused of being trans because of a hair cut. I posted this elsewhere but this is a better place to put it. …. I’ve just read a blog that has resonated so much with me that I feel I have to share it. It all makes so much sense to me – why can’t anyone else see this too?

raisingmyrainbow.com/2016/02/21/the-new-gender-binary/

So I know nothing else about this person other than what I’ve read on that page above, but what he/she says about supporting his/her son who is gender non-conforming is so refreshing. His/her son doesn’t say he’s a girl: “He says he’s a boy who only likes girl things and wants to be treated like a girl”. It makes absolutely no sense to me to convince gender non-conforming children that they must be trans. I feel like the whole world has become brain-washed somehow. Am I the only one that can see the Emperor has no clothes? Or is it me? I sincerely do believe that transgenderism (not sure if that’s the right term – sorry if it isn’t – I have no intention of offending anyone here) exists and is right for some, but it is surely not the right thing for every gender non-conforming child.
I'm feeling so sad for children growing up in today's world that they can't just be themselves and instead feel they have to change their bodies to conform to society's limited view of binary gender.

I know a preteen boy with chin length hair and a teen girl with a short pixie style cut and both complain that other kids regularly ask them if theyre transgender and when they say 'no' a common response is "well why do you have your hair like that then?"

It is worse now by a large amount than it was five years ago, let alone ten. Twenty years ago when I was in school myself grunge, goth and metal kids were everywhere, loads of boys in makeup, long hair, even big hippy skirts and skin tight "girls" tees, indie girls wore a uniform of baggy jeans and oversized tees, all from the mens section.

It has got so bad now. These sorts of talks feed the picking and the bullying and ostracisation that "gender non conforming" kids, gay or not, are subjected to. These kids I know complain this happens all the time, Ive witnessed it many times. Kids are being told the only way to understand choices about clothes, hair etc is via trans, and then even the 'kind' kids harass non-conformers to "come out".

Bumbledumb If a child thinks they are gay and has a few homosexual experiences but then decides they are actually attracted to the opposite sex, fine, no harm done.
If they decide they are trans and take blockers and hormones, then change their mind - quite a lot of permanent changes that can't be reversed
(and before anyone says, of course if a child realises they are gay and remains in same sex relationships for the rest of their life, obviously no harm done then either)
Being gay does not require medication or bit of the body to be cut off, that's the difference

Because it doesn't take umpteen degrees to figure out that an effeminate gay lad might very easily, based on this and their own inclinations, conclude that 'liking' boys and wanting to be pink and sparkly means they have the personality and mind of a girl! Hence are trans (rather than just plain ole gay!)

How does this argument differ from the one which was used to oppose the introduction of teaching of homosexuality and lesbianism in schools; that children who are still learning about their sexuality, and may be feeling confused, will conclude that they are gay?

Peak trans indeed. Makes the fact that Loose Women are now to have a transwoman as a panellist even less surprising.
www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/loose-women-to-make-history-as-india-willoughby-becomes-first-transwoman-to-guest-host-allfemale-a3397171.html

Yep it's my friend's husband who said this
I kid you not

A friend has a son who is very artistic and musical. According to his dad this makes him 'like a gay' (I quote)

I would divorce a man for saying something like this.

somedyke I'm so relieved to hear you say that.
I'm tired of being accused of being transphobic. I'm not I just don't believe that we have to conform to a gender at all. If a girl wants to play football/wear jeans/love science that doesn't make her a boy or someone that wants to be a boy.
It's just what she likes so go for it I say.
A friend has a son who is very artistic and musical. According to his dad this makes him 'like a gay' (I quote)
FFS just let people do what they want.

exactly somedyke..
well put.
So if a girl is not into make up and pink sparkly shit,, and (say) enjoys engineering and science, then she should be encouraged to grow a penis?
Just WTAF???
why are teachers bleating this arrant nonsense?

..........and of course that doesn't include all those gender-nonconforming girls who might think that their own special personality isn't girl-like enough, so they need to change it.

Why come out with this sexist nonsense? Would you talk about a black personality? No, because that would be racist, but somehow sexism is okay, 'cos biology...........(except when biology and reminding people about chromosomes isn't okay cos of trans, then our brains melt..............).

I know it's not directly relevant, but when I was 16 and in 6th form at school, we were given a "talk" by a Pro Life group, that showed slides of abortions and were very graphic. It literally haunted me for months after, it was really upsetting and disturbing. I think even at 16, I was vulnerable and impressionable and it makes me really mad that in the pretense of educating kids, they are preached at - at the very least make it an honest debate and have both sides of the coin there, with parents knowledge! Honestly, wtf is going on in the world.

Totally agree SomeDyke

".....and have explained that sometimes somebody might have the body of a boy but have the personality and mind of a girl"

This is potentially dangerous homophobic nonsense! Why? Because it doesn't take umpteen degrees to figure out that an effeminate gay lad might very easily, based on this and their own inclinations, conclude that 'liking' boys and wanting to be pink and sparkly means they have the personality and mind of a girl! Hence are trans (rather than just plain ole gay!).

As would any potential lesbians who liked science and maths, such as myself, who were told constantly that science and maths were boys subjects (and might have worked out for themselves that liking girls in that special ways was something that seemingly only boys were allowed to do..........).

I know that this was (probably) said and thought in all innocence and with the best of intentions, but the result on gay youngsters (and anyone else who just doesn't quite fit in with the usual stuff for their sex) is going to be think that their personality or mind doesn't fit their body, hence they might be trans.............

I would absolutely furious about this.
The trans issue is out of control.
A man cannot have a vagina/a woman does not have a penis. Simple biology really.
Brainwashing as others have said.

"I've had children ask about transfer issues and have explained that sometimes somebody might have the body of a boy but have the personality and mind of a girl"

What on Earth is "personality of a girl"?

And "mind of a girl"??? What, like, feeble?

Do try to explain what you mean by the above. I can't think of a way it can be done without being hugely offensive and/or completely unscientific.

Thank your lucky stars you are not my DC's teacher. I would have your head on a plate for that sexist nonsense.

Quite.

So sorry to hear the teachers are useless marvellous. Very sad state of affairs.

" have explained that sometimes somebody might have the body of a boy but have the personality and mind of a girl (and other way round)."

I would not be very impressed if you "explained" that twaddle to my child.
It is absolute rubbish.

have explained that sometimes somebody might have the body of a boy but have the personality and mind of a girl (and other way round).

This really gets to me. Why can they not just be who they are, girl or boy, with their mind, not a boy "have the mind of a girl" just because he likes things stereotypically "feminine"?

I wish Cordelia Fine's Delusions of Gender was given to them instead.

Transfer issues?! Auto correct. Sorry trans issues.

How it was done sounds shocking.
But discussing lgbt issues doesn't have to be brainwashing. E.g. in secondary we do some pshe that covers using the word gay, acting like a girl, or man up as insults and we ask students to think about how somebody who thought they might be gay might feel hearing it as an insult.
When we discuss relationships education it doesn't take much to say when two people get into a relationship... rather than just exclusively act like we can't say anything that isn't straight.
I've had children ask about transfer issues and have explained that sometimes somebody might have the body of a boy but have the personality and mind of a girl (and other way round). Then we empathise and discuss how they might feel if they hear tranny used as an insult.
I've never needed to go into the kind of unnecessary details that the OP situation had (which feels totally inappropriate!)

If handled with sensitivit & in an age-appropriate way, I've always found children to be quite caring.

Nothing. The teachers do nothing. There are so many people that would shout them down if they opposed these kids. DD has made a few new friends who agree with her, but everyone 'hates them'. It's really sad, they cant even learn anymore.

What did the teacher do, marvellous?

Interesting that one of the latest words to enter the dictionary is post -truth.
I am all for anti bullying but the anti science but is what bugs me the most.
By all means be trans but don't give children incorrect information.
Is the earth flat now too?

my 6 year old was lecturing his little brother about Big Problems (tell a teacher) and Little Problems and the strategies you can diffuse little problems which he'd learned in PSHE. That was an anti-bullying lesson. Lecturing on trans, telling kids that sex isn't real is flat dangerous for girls - no amount of wanting to be a boy is going to stop a pregnancy.