Cat calling

Any more insults in your bag amy, or are you done ?

I mean, if men can't comment on womens appearance that is.

And actually quite creepy.

You are extremely insensitive and have no concern whatsoever for how street harassment makes so many women and girls feel and how it impacts on our lives.

And yes obviously most women want to be seen as attractive

What evidence would be acceptable that they met this criteria ?

I didn't say it gave them any right Amy. You are like a feminist chatbot.

Yes, women bought the product. I wonder why

Because they wanted male attention, which they thought they would get. They were too stupid for this forum I presume, or too blind.

And I am falling into your derail trap. Thank you Amy for getting back to the point!

And yes obviously most women want to be seen as attractive for their own self confidence etc.

You think "hello boys" was solely aimed at women? Yes, women bought the product. I wonder why. Have a think about why many women might wish to go along with the accepted attitudes and not make a fuss when they are mocked and dismissed for expressing any concern or saying they don't like it.

growapear you're getting worse if that's possible. Yeah, you've rumbled me, when I go out to a party I dress with all the men who'll see me on the street in mind. My goodness.

Even if some women choose to dress in a certain way to go to a club that doesn't give any man the right to shout at her, harass her or treat her in any way other than respectfully in any setting.

venus thank you very much!

Even grow got it.

!!!!!

Amy you are spot on.

OK - i'll get flamed for this, but i'm not winning any friends anyway.

Are you saying that the things women wear, the makeup they put on etc - has no effect on men ? When i was younger they used to advertise bras with the tagline "hello boys" - women would go to nightclubs, women I knew, to "pull" - they would dress to attract men's attention. If they didn't get it, they were not happy about it...I have internalised this on some level I admit....

I also think any sort of boundary violation is a red flag. When you mix entitlement with not respecting people's boundaries, it's concerning behaviour. I think a lot of street harassers get off on making woman feel small and uncomfortable, rather than expecting a date or wanting to pay a compliment, as it's always claimed minimised as

Also seeing as I've been harassed in school uniform, jeans/t-shirt/hoody and in nicer clothes it's clearly nothing to do with that anyway, just power and intimidation.

pizan

I have read the whole thread (scanned a few bits) but I couldn't resist pointing out to you your behaviour on this thread. The first half or three quarters of this thread are you dominating other posters, and when they stand up for themselves, you dismiss or belittle them (or both). I actually wondered for a while if you were doing it as a deliberate clever way of demonstrating what it is like to be dominated/belittled by men!

To the same end, you were rattling off inaccurately presented psychology theory and research to gain a superior position to the other posters. Maybe you should reflect on why you needed to do that?

I am a psychologist, working specifically with forensic populations and I'm not sold on your declaration of how you 'fix' the young people you work with either to be frank.

If you want me to prattle on about how psychology would explain catcalls, I'll give it a whirl, but what really struck me was your attitude and approach!

Oh and as for the suggestion women spend "time and money" to look good for men, that just feeds into the idea women exist to be judged by men and that our worth is approval on our appearance from men. Not only do plenty of women not do so as has been mentioned, but if I make an effort to go out or something then it's for me, to make myself feel good and upbeat about it, and for my friends. If I ever did it for a boy it'd be one I knew not men on the street to shout at me (which is intended to be intimidating not complimentary anyway).

Sillage's post was beautiful. Even grow got it.

Lass I'm glad you haven't but you are very much the exception. I don't want to say "lucky" as it shouldn't be "lucky" for a woman not to have experienced street harassment. As I've said earlier in this thread a couple of times, my friends and I all have, for at least a couple of years now, regularly. It's awful, intimidating, demeaning and a major problem.

i just got your post, sillage! v clever.

pizan

Nope

freshwater

I know.....weird.

Lots of women like it sillage and I assume you hone your wit for the benefit of men right ?

And complimented at all times, what woman wouldn't want that

"Oh sillage, such wit !!"

Thank you, it's so important to be appreciated.

Rufus, it's so weird, eh? almost like...some of these people see you as a...whole person or something??