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Oxford schoolgirl abduction didn't happen, police suddenly announced

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Yunitsa · 11/11/2016 15:30

Help, fellow feminists...

I've written a bit on other threads about my daughter (same age) being hugely upset about this abduction and rape. She was cycling along the same street at the same time as it was meant to have happened. As a direct result I've had to go back to giving her lifts to and from school.

This is a name change because it was all just getting a bit close to home/potentially outing.

I've had texts from her already this afternoon... news of this press release must have broken at school. She's confused. The girl was raped but not abducted? Why did she say she was abducted? Is she in trouble? Have the police made a mistake?
And then just now:
Now the police won't believe the next girl who is abducted. Is that right?

And this is before she's seen any of the vitriol that has already begun on social media... schoolgirls should never be believed, apparently; it wasn't rape either, more than likely, she just changed her mind after a threesome. Envy - vomit.

Anyone got any words of wisdom? I have to pick her up shortly and I have no idea what to say. I'm really shaken by this. Though also, of course, kind of glad that the abduction didn't take place and that my daughter might start to feel safe to travel alone again.

link here

Frustratingly the press release on TVP's website is now showing as having an orator and not loading. (It was working an hour ago.) Like more confusion is needed here. Hmm

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Yunitsa · 11/11/2016 18:08

I read it and didn't really understand it, which is probably why people are getting confused about it. Which is what OP was saying firstly!!

Please don't put words in my mouth.
That isn't what I said.
I'm not confused by the content of the police statement. Hmm
I said she's confused. She being my 14YO who has only at that point heard school gossip.
And I mentioned that it is adding confusion for the police statement page to be currently unavailable.
At no stage was I confused as to whether the police believe the victim had been raped. The statement makes it clear that they do. As much as anything else, by referring to her as the victim.

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AyeAmarok · 11/11/2016 18:07

BBC News said this:

They said that they're not sure if the allegations are true right now but have confirmed that no abduction took place.

It's possible that the story is made up.

Did they?

How very strange. It doesn't say that anymore.

WomanWithAltitude · 11/11/2016 18:07

Sadly, even if the peretrators are found now (and they may be - my rapist was identified through DNA well over a decade after the event), her chances of getting a conviction will be affected by this, no matter how understandable her reasons.

Lots of child abuse victims don't tell the truth about what happened to them, for many reasons (including not wanting people to think they invited it), and get viewed as unreliable witnesses as a result. It's horribly unfair.

IAmAmy · 11/11/2016 18:07

Bullying is more like the kind of disgusting things people are saying about a 14 year old girl in her own community.

venusinscorpio · 11/11/2016 18:06

Pickledonions, you paraphrased what they said and extrapolated from that the rape allegation was possibly made up. They say they are investigating the rape.

Pickled0nions · 11/11/2016 18:06

Have a nice night :)
You lot need to go have a bath and calm down or something.

BertrandRussell · 11/11/2016 18:06

Pickledonions- did you read this?

"From the police statement-

"Thames Valley Police continue to investigate an offence of rape against the victim"

Pickled0nions · 11/11/2016 18:05

You can't force someone to have the same views as you just because you say so.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 11/11/2016 18:05

Condemning? Meant condoning obviously. Hmm

venusinscorpio · 11/11/2016 18:05

That they weren't sure if the allegations were true and that it was possible it was made up? Really?

Pickled0nions · 11/11/2016 18:04

No I can't believe how horribly bullying you all are. Is that shocking?
Simply because I said it may not be true. Well someone else already pointed out that it might not be.

If she has been raped, and they are confirming that it has happened then it's happened and that's horrible.
The abduction didn't take place, so we know that's not true.

IAmAmy · 11/11/2016 18:04

Oh my word, I'm sickened.

venusinscorpio · 11/11/2016 18:03

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Pickled0nions · 11/11/2016 18:02

I posted what was written on BBC News, actually.

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Yunitsa · 11/11/2016 18:02

You can't believe how hostile we are being?

You made a mistake - which you acknowledge - and didn't read the police statement.

People taking their information from newspapers is half the problem in cases like this.

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WomanWithAltitude · 11/11/2016 18:01

The police are still investigating rape. Therefore the police are operating on the basis that it happened. Given that they've seen the medical report, that's good enough for me.

Pickled0nions · 11/11/2016 18:01

I actually think the press articles are vague. I read it and didn't really understand it, which is probably why people are getting confused about it.
Which is what OP was saying firstly!!

IAmAmy · 11/11/2016 18:01

It's so upsetting to hear of how many adults are so quick and eager to attack a young girl who went through something horrific. So sad. I hope she has a loving family and lots of support around her given how people in her city are talking about her.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 11/11/2016 18:01

If she went with them willingly and was then raped by them then it makes sense she would say she was abducted. If she said she went with them willingly then there would be people blaming her and asking what she expected to happen, etc. Because you know obviously going somewhere with a man /men is automatically consenting to them sticking their penis in you...

I'm not condemning lying about being abducted. I'm saying that I understand why someone would do that.

venusinscorpio · 11/11/2016 18:01

Pickled Onions, you said the police had stated they weren't sure if the allegations were true and that it was possible it was all made up. They are investigating a rape. They are never going to be "sure" the allegation is true. That is the same in any rape case, actually, any crime. Because obviously it has to go to court. I highly doubt that the police worded it like you did. What you posted was misleading.

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Yunitsa · 11/11/2016 17:59

What has happened on this thread mirrors what is happening, city-wide, around me.

Many people reading the press reports are saying she probably wasn't raped either.

Whereas the police statement makes it clear that they have ruled out abduction on the basis of eveidence but continue to investigate rape. This leads me to think that there is evidence for the rape.

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Pickled0nions · 11/11/2016 17:58

Why don't you go and bully someone else BertandRussell

Gardencentregroupie · 11/11/2016 17:58

Or am I missing something, and details of the medical exam have been made public?

BertrandRussell · 11/11/2016 17:58

Feel free to point out the typo in that post too.

Gardencentregroupie · 11/11/2016 17:57

To be fair it is actually possible that a medical exam.has confirmed that sexual intercourse took place, but there may well be circumstances whereby that intercourse did not amount to rape. Yes despite her age, there are legal defences to rape if you have sex with a 14 year old. The medical exam may even have been inconclusive, sexual intercourse may not be ruled in or out. We don't know, but PickledOnions is getting an unnecessarily harsh time here I think.