Paris Lee talking at MN - thread 2

They can't delete Lees' own words being used to clarify the answer to a question!

In fact, this entire thread could be merely links to what Lees herself has said, with no judgement whatsoever. The words speak for themselves.

Checking in to show my support.

You are all much more eloquent than I am. My mind is just going, what the actual fuck, what the actual fuck, what the actual fuck, over and over again.

"Genitalia is relevant in every case, as far as I'm concerned."

I agree.

Checking in.

I am waiting for MN to delete my post but it's ok because my post was answered. And even if the responses are deleted that would be a shame but at least I got an answer to my question.

Genitalia is relevant in every case, as far as I'm concerned.

I normally don't care about people's genitals but it is relevant in this case.

gin

"I’m not generally keen on discussing the genitals of trans people as a) it’s rude and b) I believe, as a community, that we’ve been reduced to body parts for far too long."

My money would be on 'yes'.

Just marking my place

Placemarking

Am I right in thinking that PL still has a penis?

The best thing that could happen is that all the attendees to the panel discussion with PL in it showed up wearing "I am Spartacus" TShirts. It's a non violent but clear protest. And makes an elephant in the room.

It almost makes me want to print Tshirts out and go hand them out for free on the day.

Lees and another mtt laughed about fucking a 'crazy bitch' stalker.

WAT

I agree, Ibelieve

Marking place.

I didn't see the first thread.

But now I feel like I've been punched.

Mumsnet inviting PL to an event. Its a proof we still need feminism I suppose. Women supporting women being trodden on and put in their place is A-OK as long as you can make money from it. Sick.

PL behaviour re enjoying being catcalled, fantasising what other people think about her going to have a gangbang etc, is just living out male pornography fantasies. It's has nothing to do with being a woman, just a male fantasy of what it is to be a woman and to be in the position of being a woman in that situation. Isn't there a word for this? My memory is failing me, or perhaps I just can't name the condition as I want this post to stand.

And this is an opposing voice on a women's forum event. Why not get some hairy MRAs and be done with it. At least we would see the wolf, not the pretty frocks and lippy

Tam I am also finding this very stressful. Hope your blood pressure reduces and that you come back soon

Just checking in to show my support. I had never heard of PL until the first thread and The Spartacus threads really taught me a lot.

I'm pretty darned sure that even if it was aimed at one single poster, bigot would not be deleted. There have been several times when someone has said that or similar and then when challenged has highlighted specific posts - therefore calling the authors of those posts bigots - and it never gets deleted. You see racist and disablist aimed directly at specific posters too, and never deleted. If one -ist accusation is a pa and unacceptable then they all are. And I don't think just cos you pa a group makes it less of a pa, really. If it did them that would open the doors to all sorts of derogatory stereotyping...so long as it's not aimed at just one person.

Just checking in.
Still pissed off. Still think Justine has drunk the kool aid.

Still Spartacus.

Will the transcripts/ recordings be made available?

YetAnotherSpartacus

Same thoughts - x posted

I've also had my eyes opened about the trans issues. I was frankly, shocked and disbelieving. So I read and read, dozens of sites. Pro and against.

I spent time reading the pro sites and they were the REAL eye opener.

The aggression, delusion and woman hating was confined to those. It becomes more and more difficult to see the trans activists (and I deliberately separate those from people like Miranda and Helen who I consider nothing like them) as nothing more than raging men who, whilst may well have something of an identity crisis, are not only nothing like women, they have no affinity with, or empathy for them.

I believe that their particular visciousness is reserved for feminists because we don't fit their ideal of the sexualised, victimised version of the woman they yearn to be.

Insisting on correct pronouns using threats of suicide for non compliance is NOT normal behaviour.

Sorry to see you go Tam. Please come back soon. We need you.

Don't want mirandas post deleted for being a personal attack!