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Why do girls let the boys get away with it?

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Weneedarevolution · 10/11/2016 18:33

My DS is doing A levels. In geography they have been put in a group of boys and girls - 5 students I think. They have to complete a project. The girls have organised and allocated th work, my DS has minimal work to do. He is GOOD at geography his input would help the girls. He is quite happy to let this happen as he can benefit from their efforts while getting on with other work.

His argument is that if they had asked him he would have gladly helped but they organised it and he just agreed. I really believe if the girls asked he and his friends would do the work to a high standard.

This has happened through out his school career, he and his friends almost expect it now.

So who is to blame the girls for not asking or the boys for letting it happen?

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SoHairyAndForeverSpartacus · 10/11/2016 22:41

Were the girls specifically told by the teacher that they had been designated the 'task allocators' ?

If there was no such direction from the teacher, why is it assumed to be their job to tell the workshy boys what to do?

Weneedarevolution · 10/11/2016 22:30

Buffy yep that's what's needed. I hate to say it has to come from the school because they get so much crap but really it is about group dynamics so their is only so much you can do at home

Anyway thanks everyone. I'm not sure I'm much further on but I will keep on trying.

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AyeAmarok · 10/11/2016 22:29

Women too often repress anger to appear nice. Wouldn't it be good if they didn't have to repress?

Wouldn't it be nice if they weren't put in that position in the first place by lazy, entitled men?

IAmAmy · 10/11/2016 22:27

Weneedarevolution I completely agree girls and women need to feel free to express anger when we feel it, particularly when it's brought about by boys/men, but a large part of that is challenging the misogyny we face when we do or the labels we're often given if we do by many boys and men (bossy, bitch, difficult, whiner etc).

Weneedarevolution · 10/11/2016 22:27

Scary that is more or less exactly my sons argument.

Speak - I'll take that onboard - thanks for the advice.Smile

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AyeAmarok · 10/11/2016 22:26

Scary, you've entirely missed the point.

The girls are not the task allocators. The group were given a task. The boys did nothing, sitting back and letting the girls get on with the work they considered beneath them.

IAmAmy · 10/11/2016 22:25

scaryclown what nonsense. The girls are trying to get work done at school. You expect them to be able to expertly allocate tasks perfectly by ability, yet don't expect boys to be able to ask for more work or make suggestions? Of course any way a boy might suffer or not be challenged must be the fault of a girl.

I've done group work at school. I used to be quite shy and had to do group work with others I didn't really know well. They didn't know me that well so I didn't say much at first, then I decided to speak up a bit and things were fine from there. We all benefited.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 10/11/2016 22:25

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Weneedarevolution · 10/11/2016 22:24

I don't want the girls to feel responsible. I want them to be quiet rightly irritated and for them to feel able enough and confident enough to express this irritation.

Women too often repress anger to appear nice. Wouldn't it be good if they didn't have to repress?

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SpeakNoWords · 10/11/2016 22:23

Speaking as a teacher, even for my most favourite pupil, I would appreciate feedback like this from a parent. No child is perfect! They can all improve, even the child who gets A*s without any apparent effort. Honestly it just needs a quick comment along the lines of next time there's a similar group task could you bear in mind his attitude this time and perhaps intervene if it looks like it's going the same way.

scaryclown · 10/11/2016 22:22

Wait a minute though, it seems the girls are responsible for allocating tasks, and haven't given your son tasks that are appropriate to ability or will. That is the girls failt. not because they are girls but because the task allocators, who are girls, have not allocated much to him, when he is tge team member who could achieve the most.

He obviously feels a bit peeved, partially at exclusion, partially because his skills seem unrecognised amd lartly because the best decision for the team is that he does more than he has been allocated at present.

He has accepted and rationalised the decision of the task allocators partly because he knows tgere is no credit for this module, and if there were credit he might pressure the task allocators to change their decision. in this case he has decided to allow the task allocators freedom to make the wrong decision. (in his eyes) in dping so he wins conformity points, but could lose integrity pounts, and become a scapegoat if the task goes badly.

Curiously a recent work situation i was in had a boss who would insist on people working in an unproductive way because 'she was the boss' but then simultaneously complained about the effects of doing so (department not ready for visits), so its an interesting lesson in integrity v conformity v task focus v team focus.

i dont think 'lazy' and 'freeloading on womens labour' come into it. If he had allocated tasks and given himself nothing..well that would be a different issue.

IAmAmy · 10/11/2016 22:22

It does. I have two brothers so I can see it's difficult, I'm still working on them...

IAmAmy · 10/11/2016 22:21

Weneedarevolution I hope that's the case and I'm glad. Some of the boys I've encountered, I'm pretty certain their mothers would be shocked at some of the misogyny they come out with, but I'm very pleased to hear your son isn't like that and will hopefully be a good feminist.

Weneedarevolution · 10/11/2016 22:20

Iamamy I'm doing my best!

Wider society and peer group pressure make it difficult.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 10/11/2016 22:20

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Weneedarevolution · 10/11/2016 22:19

Genuinely Iamamy he would work. He is a quiet boy. Just a bit lazy.

He would never call a girl a bitch. Ever. Of that I am sure.

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IAmAmy · 10/11/2016 22:19

The girls are getting on with and doing their work. They want to learn and educate themselves for their futures. If you're concerned about them, and all girls, then the best thing you can do is raise a feminist son. Knowing many boys my age and being in despair about most of them, that's what I'd appreciate most.

Weneedarevolution · 10/11/2016 22:17

Speak as I said previously the teachers love him. He is quiet and hardworking according to them. I may well raise it with the teachers but I don't want to be seen as telling them their job. Teachers get enough crap.

I am concerned about the girls because I consider myself a feminist. I want his sloppy behaviour to meet as many challenges as possible not just me.

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IAmAmy · 10/11/2016 22:16

If a girl said "get off your arse and do some work" to most boys they'd start complaining about how "bossy" and what a "bitch" she was, no doubt. I'm so glad I'm at a girls' school.

Weneedarevolution · 10/11/2016 22:12

Speak I am doing my best. Unlike the mother of every other son on this thread i find that sometimes it is hard to raise a feminist son due to wider peer group influences.

I only wish my son was not influenced by society and his peers. How do the rest of you do it I'm in awe

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SpeakNoWords · 10/11/2016 22:12

Raise it with the teacher in the context of "next time". I'm not sure why you're resistant to feeding this back to the teacher.

Will you discuss with your son the idea of how other people perceive him as being important? Specifically his teacher having input into his UCAS application as one concrete example.

YonicProbe · 10/11/2016 22:10

"but apparently I am just helping him oppress people."

There's a... straw...man...floating in the sky...
He'd like to come and post here but he thinks he'd blow our minds

Weneedarevolution · 10/11/2016 22:09

Terrified if I was in the classroom he would be working his arse off.
Speak tbh the project is nearly done, I have raised it tonight as it is part of an ongoing conversation we have. I though discussing issues like this made me a good parent, but apparently I am just helping him oppress people.

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YonicProbe · 10/11/2016 22:08

Can't your DS practice acting fairly? Why are you concerned about them ahead of him?

SpeakNoWords · 10/11/2016 22:08

How about reducing the number of entitled men, starting with your son?