America would rather be led by someone who boasts of assaulting women, than a woman

I saw a clip on Irish news where a WOMAN was asked why she would vote Trump, and she replied with 'There's a place for women, and it's not the white house'

I despair

who had no qualms about defending a peadophile and gloating that she knew he was guilty. Not to mention brandishing his 12yr old rape victim a liar

Nope she didnt do this, and no evidence that she threatened anybody either

Such bullshit...

And i agree with the poster upthread who said everything she has been through to get this far

I hope you're right Seneca. I know in my state she lost by a relatively tiny number. I hope she's ok.

The fact that nearly half of American voters voted for Trump validates the thread title.

No, it doesn't. "America" does not mean the same thing as "47.5 of people who voted."

She is leading the popular vote. I hope that holds so that those of us who voted for her can continue to point out that more Americans voted for her than did for Trump. Also I think it will be some consolation for her.

The fact that nearly half of American voters voted for Trump validates the thread title. He said things which should have disqualified him immediately.

I think the statement in the title is a bit OTT. The popular vote is 47.5% Trump, 47.7% Clinton at the moment.
Even if Trump ends up leading the popular vote, it won't be by much.
American elections seem to be very knife edge. To say "Americans voted for..." anything is overstating it.
Having said that, I agree with the sentiment.

Lotta - makes you want to throw something when you put it like that. She really has put herself through hell, I can't imagine doing that for any reason other than that you really thought you could do a good job and would be good for the country.

I can't believe that Trump hasn't made past girlfriends have abortions and paid for them. If those women came forward now, that would be very interesting.

Great post Doin. She is a seriously impressive woman and the most qualified candidate in history. I would have been delighted to vote for her if I was a US citizen. She's had a lifetime of shit being flung at her and this is how it ends. Its totally sickening.

I have just seen a video on facebook, I think from the metro surprisingly, which shows Trump at various times openly mocking disabled journalists, and Mexicans, and muslims, and of course women. Yet we are supposed to believe the people who tell us Hillary Clinton was worse? That she should be held accountable for her husbands actions and for being a good defence lawyer. It just beggars belief that this has happened.

Great posts Lottie.

Sarah Ditum (Independent journalist) on the radio just described the US election as 'a referendum on the place of women in public life'. And the result couldn't be clearer. So true, so depressing.

If these fascit throwbacks really were interested in a "strong man" rather than a swaggering racist bully, they woukd have cast their vote for the toughest candidate here has ever been.

Hillary Clinton is nails hard.

She has come through years of abuse to get where she is and she never gave up.

Vestal - my (limited) knowledge is that getting sterilised in the US is difficult, yes, just as it is here. But that's even more reason - start consultation now because it could take time to find someone to agree.

Fucking hell, if I was living in the US now I'd be so fucked off. I'm obviously hugely fucked off as it is. I realise the 2 candidates weren't great choices but seriously....!

'and the person it hurt most was probably herself. '

Dear lord, you can say that again. I feel absolutely sick for her. The years, decades of being blamed for her husband's behaviour, the humiliation of Bill's rotten behaviour, people apparently thinking that her and Bill are the same person, insisting she wasn't good enough, was crooked, was too short, too fat, too dumpy, had awful dress sense, was a liar and she took it all on the chin. People insisting that a woman was not fit to be President. Fighting it all, keeping her head down, grafting, tunnelling through shit, grafting some more, showing up to the 9 / 11 memorial with raging pneumonia on a hot New York day and still being crucified for it, listening to the non-stop nastiness from Trump and his supporters. It has been endless. I felt nauseous after watching the second debate, with him interrupting her and prowling around behind her. Yes, she's had nearly 70 years of practice at dealing with this kind of shit but it surely has to take it out of you. It must feel like it was all for nothing. Devastated for her and all of her supporters

Fascism is on the rise to the extent that a fascist has just been elected the President of the world's most powerful country, but we should calm down because nothing bad ever happens when fascists come to power.

Oh, is Brexit going ok then? Given that it hasn't actually happened yet?

doinit excellent post.

Fascism is on the rise. It's a consequence of 2008 and never ending battle since.
Throughout history when people have been subject to crisis, mass unemployment, austerity, people start to move to the populist far right.
We're seeing it in the UK, In Europe, now the USA. Don't blame the voters, blame the decisions made by those in power leading to this monumental shit storm. Blame the people trump is blaming. The bankers. The establishment. The elites.

Doin He hadn't been absorbed yet you realise. He's only had half a day. He bet on Clinton too.

Like Brexit, calm down, I'm sure it'll all be OK.

'They fucking hate us don't they? '

Oh I wouldn't say that - we're very useful in many ways. Cleaning, bringing in extra money, making life comfortable, sex on tap. Some of us are quite decorative and free to grope.

I think as long as we put up and shut up and know our place most will tolerate us with just a little light contempt.

Clinton made a choice to stand by her husband - it's not a choice I particularly like but it's a choice hundreds if not thousands of women make every day - just look at the relationships board. She chose to prioritise her family and lifestyle over her pride and self-esteem. Like I say, not pretty but hardly illegal - and the person it hurt most was probably herself.

Likewise the actual ins and outs of the criminal justice system aren't pretty - and while I abhor the way victims of sexual abuse are treated in a trial, she was a defence lawyer defending her client.

That doesn't compare to the things Trump has admitted to: he's a sexula predator, she's a woman who stood by her man and was very good at being a defence lawyer.

If you overlook his racist and misogynist talk and vote for him anyway, then you are being a racist and a misogynist.

You don't et to elect a fascist and then whine that youbwere just having a tantrum.

That's why we don't let toddlers vote.