America would rather be led by someone who boasts of assaulting women, than a woman

Yes, Yonic, what Trump could do to women's rights just from two Supreme Court appointments is truly scary. Other important rights are at stake as well. He has said that he would appoint justices who would overturn the decision mandating same sex marriage rights in the US. That would again mean leaving the matter up to the states.

One aspect of his support that has not been discussed on this thread but that is highly significant is that of evangelical (so conservative and often fundamentalist as well) Christians. They are animated these days over two main issues: abortion and same sex marriage. In the past, they have also emphasized character issues and have wanted someone who is a practicing and believing Christian. This time around, they rejected the actual practicing and believing Christian (Hillary is a devout Methodist) for someone who has no real religious life at all and whose personal life exhibits many of the character traits that conservative Christians deplore. But they think that he will get rid of abortion rights and gay rights, so he's their man.

Seneca

And this is a ligitimate reason why Trump is a bad candidate, based on a policy of his, which isn't sexist, it's just stupid and Republican. He doesn't hate women, his party is anti fetus murder.

Terrible, isn't it, Seneca?

I wonder how far they will go in banning abortion, though - as there needs to be a loophole for rich white women to exploit at least.

This is a good point. The loophole will be that if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, which could happen depending on how many justices Trump gets to appoint during his presidency, abortion rights will be up to the states. The more liberal states will allow it, so for example, New York and California. Women in my state (in the Southern US) would have to travel to another state, and likely some distance, to get an abortion. So there you are. Poor women will have no real recourse but women of means will.

Yonic

Thats interesting, calling a omment ignorant is not rude, or unpleasant, it is a view based on a comment made, I didn't attack the poster, I wasn't rude or unpleasant to anyone.

Strangely, 2 of your comments I have read recently I have thoroughly agreed with, and saidd so, however you choose not to acknowledge we hold similar viewpoints, but be offended by something I say that is way off the scale of unpleasantness, why is that? Are you looking to be offended?

It's a shame because I was starting to look for your name as an intereting poster who I could agree and disagree with.

"an ignorant comment"

Y'know, for someone whose first post was concerned about the meanness in this section of MN, you sure have been mean in things you have said.

I don't think you are a troll. I don't think you are a pleasant poster who is engaging constructively, though, so I won't engage with you again.

Ok buffy, I won't discuss with you any more. It's clear your just trying to redirect through lack of knowledge/interest in my view.

I'm trying to frame the discussion, not catch you out btw.

Including the US?

In law? Quite a few.

River

Ok lets assume you are 100% right, and i'll take this as a chance to learn.

Which countries treat women as equals?

Well, I'm talking about them as a class.

I don't think the Latinos, the women and the very small number of black voters who voted for Trump didn't see the sexism, racism etc. They simply decided that it didn't matter. Doesn't mean it wasn't there for all to see. And as someone on MN said on another thread, other cultures that vote for Trump can be very sexist, homophobic etc.

Michelle Obama said that cultures and countries that treat women as the equals of men are better than those that don't. I agree with her. Has America just proved itself to be one of those countries that doesn't?

Buffy

From ignorant people who call racism, sexism etc when it is an easy out of an argument instead of actually discussing issues! I have been called troll 3 times already, because my view differs slightly from some peoples, that is an ignorant and lazy way of saying 'I don't want to talk to you sensibly, because I don't have validity in my point of view, and am scared to learn' (unless someone is clearly being a troll).

In my case, after I was called feminazi (yes by a very nice girl, who you don't get to call not nice because you don't know her, or the situation, thats an ignorant comment) I explained the situation in detail (after calling her a dumb bitch granted lol), and we had an exchange of ideas, and infact she was the one who came up with the strategy implimented.

My point is, calling air conditioning sexist, making youtube videos screaming sexual assault because someone won't tell you their name etc is harmfull to the feminist movement I work hard for!

White men are the most privileged people in the world.

As a class, yes. This doesn't help you much if you are a white man born into poverty with little access to education or work.

As a white, middle class women I think I have enjoyed greater privilege in most aspects of my life (not all though) than many white men. Better access to education, greater agency (I think I am using the term correctly), and all that flows from that. Class plays a huge role in privilege in the UK. Maybe less in the States but I bet it's still there.

"very nice sane people was to laugh at the feminazi"

They aren't very nice if they used that phrase.

HTH.

Lorelei

My case was clear sexism, and I will win. The reaction by very nice sane people was to laugh at the feminazi because I mentioned sexism, which is over used and has become a laughable term.

When sexism occurs you HAVE to call it out, but it has to be sexism! Clinton getting beat isn't sexism. Calling 700 million people 'all white men' or mocking 3.8 billion people 'women can't' is clearly sexist (depending on context obviously)

Buffy

Your self awareness or lack of is staggering...

You are convinced that Trump is X.Y,Z, based on what you have seen and heard, women and hispanic voters don't believe he is X,Y,Z based on what they have seen and heard. You hold one viewpoint, character. They might hold numerous viewpoints, like manifestos, issues, and comparison to Clinton.

So a vote for Trump isn't always racist, sexist etc, it's a vote for a candidate who offers values that coincide with the individuals, collectivism and collective thinking isn't smart, it's what bullys do. They enforce their beleifs based on a group consencus on weaker people.

If you dislike Trump like I do thats great, attacking 20 odd million people is not ok though, and thats why I argue. I'm not here defending Trump, i'm here defending humanity and compassion.

Pizan " when I complained the second I used the word sexist I was called a feminazi and told I was extreme. Thats how people respond to sexism these days because of over use of the term when there is clearly no sexism,"

so you claimed sexism when there was none?

your posts make no sense - are you on glue?!

Overeraction was bad phrasing.

Please replace mentally with completely unacceptable reaction .