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The Glass ceiling, really?

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Pizanfan · 08/11/2016 22:39

I have lurked here for a while, but havn't really had summoned the courage to post until now (I have noticed a lot of new posters asking for people to be nice, or kind etc).

I can't seem to keep this to myself anymore, and my OH dismisses my attempts to bring the subject up...

Hillary Clinton, playing the righteous feminist, and building a campaign on 'love' but knowing nothing but hate. I keep hearing prominant feminists talk about her being the great hope, but her history, actions, and words are so anti feminist I get frustrated when I hear this twaddle!

Apologies if you are a fan, I mean no offence, I just feel like this issue is going to burn me up inside if I don't get it out, and I suppose I am hoping for reasons I am in part blind to any good she is doing, or maybe even some agreement from people here.

Not the greatest way to introduce myself to this section (It is very intimidating here btw), but rant over, please let me know if i'm reading too much into this issue.

Thank you

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Pizanfan · 08/11/2016 23:02

Hi Yonic probe.

Thanks for the welcome,

I wasn't responding to any other thread really, although noted the interest.

I agree 100% that there is no such thing as a perfect candidate, and that I know I could never bring myself to put Trumps name on a ballot, however at least Trump has put himself out there. He has said a lot of questionable things, but he has either apologised or stood by them, and well I wouldn't call him anti women, he is a dollar guy, and he will promote or screw over anyone in the aim of getting more money, regardless of sex.

Like I said, Hillary as a surface candidate (female) is a good step, but I really don't think she will be who a lot of people think. There are so many dark skeletons, bad behaviour, and potential criminal activity, it feels like her campaign is based on hatred, pure hatred of anyone who doesn't want her in office.

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YonicProbe · 08/11/2016 23:02

Yes, the first female POTUS is very important.

How is she duping people? Politicians say shit to get elected is hardly out there as a strategy (I don't think she is faking feminism, but that's your contention if I understand correctly)

Do you prefer Trump?

OlennasWimple · 08/11/2016 23:00

I'd be interested in hearing more about why you feel this way about her: what specifically leads you to conclude she is duplicitous, for example?

But I confess that you lost me when you wondered what the big deal is about a female POTUS - do you really mean that you don't understand why this is so important?

My2centsworth · 08/11/2016 22:59

This is the meme of many memes that best explains the glass ceiling Clinton is stuck under.

Pure unadulterated misogyny, the double standard that has been levelled against her in this campaign. He is criticised for his own hateful words and actions and she is criticised for those of her husband, oh and an email server.

The Glass ceiling, really?
Showmeagain · 08/11/2016 22:58

Hhmmm first woman president but she should be better than any other and all other of the previous 44. So how is that being a feminist? It's a huge thing. And she should be judged on her abilities as z president as a politician and NOT as a woman.

That's how true feminism works. Not raising the bar higher for a woman at the get go

That's how I can admire but despise Thatcher. Admire for breaking the glass celing despise as a politician. I also have admiration for men politicians that I don't politically agree with.

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Pizanfan · 08/11/2016 22:55

Hi Newlyskinnyme

Thanks for commenting.

Well I'm not sure she is anti feminist, but I honestly believe she plays feminist, and would happily call herself an MRA if she thought it would get her what she wants.

Is becoming the first female POTUS really that important? I mean in the grand scheme of things aren't there 30 or so female heads of state world wide at this current time, some great women, some not so great. Why does the world revolve around the US in this election?

Obama was different, with the US history of oppression of blacks, voting a head of state who was a great representation of his race, but more importantly was a great representitive of his country made absolute sense. Piggy backing off Obama's success seems cheap, and well Clintons actions over the last few decade hardly coincide with her recent views.

I guess I'm just annoyed that she is duping millions of people.

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YonicProbe · 08/11/2016 22:52

Pizan! Thanks autocorrect...

YonicProbe · 08/11/2016 22:51

Hi Pusan and welcome to MN and FWR.

since I started a thread about Hillary with glass ceiling in the title, perhaps you are responding to me?

As said, I am pleased that there is a female presidential candidate for the first time. I don't think Clinton or trump is perfect, though I consider trump far more anti women and anti feminist of the two.

But I don't think a woman should have to be perfect to be President; no man ever has been.

NewlySkinnyMe · 08/11/2016 22:42

In what why is she anti feminist to you?

Whether or not she herself is a feminist in thought or actions you could argue her course in life, becoming the first ever female president, is a very feminist issue and one to highlight.

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