Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism

They even illustrated the point quite neatly. In this particular state, I think it's Washington, self identification has either been pushed ahead or is now legal. There is a local spa where the women walk about naked. Two regular men went in and said under the rules they should be allowed in and to be able to strip off. They did it to make a point and although it was a bit confusing in the comments, I believe they asked all the women to sign pledges against the ruling. Which the did immediately.

I'm afraid that it isn't really about trans women fearing male violence. It is as a pp said above - they want women to participate in their fetish.

I'll try Miffer. It was said in the comments section something like that historically this group hasn't included LGB - I'm not sure why, I'm not au fait with whether this has any political implications.

Over this particular issue, one member of the panel was a lesbian who was had detransitioned and one was Miriam Ben-Shalom. The comment said that including two lesbians in the panel would aid their stance. I don't know the details as I was speed reading and not familiar with all the people in the group. Although I have heard of Miriam Ben-Shalom.

Presumably it was to present a united front.

Miriam was awesome - taking no prisoners. Someone called her a terf and she ripped back with 'no, I'm a perf !' (penis exclusionary) and maintained she'd had enough of 'swinging dicks' in the military.

" assuming Lauren is locked up and hopefully banned from competing "

oh she will be locked up alright - in a women's prison no doubt....

As being told she was not a real woman for competition purposes enraged her so much that she drove from west wales to Brum armed with several kitchen knives and attempted to murder the person who had said it.....

are women in her prison going to be safe with her?

Thanks for those links.

The more I read the more logical it gets for me:

Trans woman want to share women's bathrooms because they fear male violence. They've been very specific on that issue. So they must have an issue with some men using the bathrooms. But which ones? Where do they want the cut off (partial pun intended ) to be.

It can't be men who say they identify as women as how does this give them any protection? And no penises is not the solution as it's too narrow. Do what do they actually want??

I suspect figuring out the the answer would make the transactivists implode

Wow Datun that video is mental. And it's funny given how many 'women' there are in the audience, all i can hear are men shouting down women, refusing to hear them speak. Plus ca change.

The statistics about the sexual orientation of transwomen is here, ShinyNew. The statistic about how many transwomen have SRS (20%) and how many transmen (5%) was provided by an American trans activist group and can be found here.

Datun

A meeting of an American women's group speaking out over conflicting rights. The comments are fascinating. Apparently this is the first time they are aided by the LGB community, deliberately to signal that the TRAs can no longer co-opt them.

Can you clarify that? I am being a bit dense no doubt but I am not sure who was aided by the LGB community. I read the link (couldn't bear to watch the film) and I found it hard to follow.

Cheers!

This is the transcript, including a very moving piece from a detransitioned FtT.

wsotranscript.wordpress.com/

THANK you to whoever posted this link (I can't find you, sorry).

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/explosive-footage-of-the-women-speak-out-press-conference-and-qa/#comments

A meeting of an American women's group speaking out over conflicting rights. The comments are fascinating. Apparently this is the first time they are aided by the LGB community, deliberately to signal that the TRAs can no longer co-opt them.

One commentor has gone to the trouble of writing down the entire film because the TRAs get so vocal you can't hear everything. Seeing it written down, makes very sobering reading.

The women are ONLY asking that local businesses get to CHOOSE whether to allow men or not. So everyone has a choice. But they are still shut down.

Juno is a oversensitive manchild who can go suck his own lady stick.

I wish I could say I cannot believe he is blocking on twitter for such petty reasons. But this is what they do isn't it. get their 'opinion' across then attack anyone who dares speak back...unless its endless praise.

That poor man who was stabbed obviously a principled man as he refused to travel to SA during apartheid.
There'll be a few more actual women winning fell races from now on though I hope, assuming Lauren is locked up and hopefully banned from competing

thecountess yes that's my point. Currently trans men are treated as woman because they're not as visible and largely don't make the demands that Transwomen do.

I think I only knew about it because my housemate was into running.....

That story was local to me too Brat and I had no idea about the trans angle. All of the reports that I'd read simply referred to 'her' and didn't mention the motivation for attempting to kill. Interesting.

I thought it was an odd, odd case but suddenly it makes sense.

in fact the Telegraph stood out among other papers for its reporting of this case....that was local to me. I believe the BBC simply reported this as a 'woman' with no mention of her transgender status..
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/22/fell-runner-lauren-jeska-admits-attempted-knife-murder-of-britis/

'Sadly I think the only way we'll ever get real traction is when woman are demanding entry to men's spaces: groups and societies etc and crying discrimination because we feelz like mens. Only then will the public realise how ludicrous this whole thing is'

You're assuming society will be vaguely consistent in how they treat transmen and transwomen. They're already not - in the few cases of transmen committing sexual assault, the media has described them as women. In the slightly more cases of transwomen committing assault, the media has also described them as women.

Yes I would like to identify as a man.
Can I please earn 20 per cent more over my lifetime if I slip into a suit?
No I fucking cant.
Feck off Juno

I keep hoping that the country will reach peak trans soon but every time we approach the crests just seem to get bigger.

Sadly I think the only way we'll ever get real traction is when woman are demanding entry to men's spaces: groups and societies etc and crying discrimination because we feelz like mens. Only then will the public realise how ludicrous this whole thing is

Juno doesnt like people to disagree with him.

I asked Juno if they could understand why his column angered and upset women who have lived being a woman their whole lives.

Blocked! Ah well.

It's all such nonsense. I have to believe it will reach critical mass and the general public will wake up.

I'd be less worried if it hadn't gained this much traction in the first place.

I was a lurker on here for years until I read the thread about the IOCs guidelines. The blatant injustice just brought me up short.

Put another way, I'm an atheist. If I moved to Saudi Arabia I'm sure I would feel oppressed by Islam, but I wouldn't magically become a Christian just because they're oppressed too.

Agree datun, I was agreeing that the comment was bollocks. On the flip side there are arguably some women who are not oppressed by gender- they aren't men either

Shinynew, I've only just popped back onto this thread and am on my phone so links are a pain. Got to go out for a couple of hours, but will post some links when I get back.