Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism

Pete Burns (RIP) only ever himself.

So missing the point of girl hood makeup. No way would any self respecting teenager take make up tips from their mother, or even big sister. Because they wouldn't know cool make up if it bit them

I've said for a while now (before I even became aware of identity politics), that beauty trends are ever increasingly veering towards the drag queen version of woman. All the contouring and the ridiculous fake eyelashes that look like a broom stuck to eyelids.

Women impersonating men who impersonate women. It's bizarre.

I'm going to throw Adam Ant into the ring of 'gorgeous feminine men'.

BenLinusatemyhomework

My mum taught me zip about feminine practices, no make up, hair, fashion advice. No conversations about boys, or shaving my legs or contraception. She did show me how to use Sanpro but that was it. I worked some of it out for myself some of it I still have no clue about and muddled (incompetently) along into womanhood. I can't imagine I'm alone in this

SNAP! In fact the only 'feminine' thing my mum ever taught me was how to do a 'sexy' walk when I was playing Anita in West Side Story. She was very good at it as well. Other than lobbing me some blue Rimmel eye shadow when I went to my first school disco, that was it in terms of passing on the secret rituals of femininity.

Boy George? He had (still has) beautiful delicate features but built like a brick shithouse like his Irish builder dad and brothers, and no stranger to a ruck. Never in a million years have I heard him make any claims to womanhood, despite being so pretty in his day he "turned" straight men left right and centre.

Good call shins. I'm sure there are lots of others.

Lotta, also in the roll of honour would be Prince -all man and very happy in high heels and make-up!

You're right about Eddie Izzard - since he announced that he has 'boy genes and girl genes' FFS I'm not in his fan club anymore

Yes it's eerie because the trend now is for a kind of amped-up exaggerated version of femininity as it was when Greer was writing. False hair and false eyelashes and drawn-on eyebrows. Thick drag-queen eye make-up and fake tan, extreme epilation. At least women in 1970 got to keep their pubes and weren't injecting botulism into their faces.

That book was massive for me

Olennas, he does have an alter ego who he calls Claire, but he has always been very clear that Claire is really just him in a dress. He claims no special insights into how life is for women because of this, and I really appreciate him saying that. Ditto David Bowie, who responded to questions about why he wore 'a woman's dress' by putting the interviewer straight that it was in fact a man's dress, as it was he who was wearing it and he was, you know, a man.

Julian Clary is another example - known for wearing very pretty and glittery make up, looks gorgeous, identifies as a man

Now THAT'S feminism.

"Maybe I couldn't make it. Maybe I don't have a pretty smile, good teeth, nice tits, long legs, a cheeky arse, a sexy voice. Maybe I don’t know how to handle men and increase my market value, so that the rewards due to the feminine will accrue to me. Then again, maybe I’m sick of the masquerade. I’m sick of pretending eternal youth. I’m sick of belying my own intelligence, my own will, my own sex. I’m sick of peering at the world through false eyelashes, so everything I see is mixed with a shadow of bought hairs; I’m sick of weighting my head with a dead mane, unable to move my neck freely, terrified of rain, of wind, of dancing too vigorously in case I sweat into my lacquered curls. I’m sick of the Powder Room. I’m sick of pretending that some fatuous male’s self-important pronouncements are the objects of my undivided attention, I’m sick of going to films and plays when someone else wants to, and sick of having no opinions of my own about either. I’m sick of being a transvestite. I refuse to be a female impersonator. I am a woman, not a castrate."
Germaine Greer -The Female Eunuch (1970)

Grayson Perry is interesting - IIRC he describes having an alter ego (Claire) which is who is he when he wears a dress

I've re-read the article (I know, I know) and still don't actually know what Glamour thinks it means to be a feminist in 2016...

Grayson perry was on the news this evening being interviewed by that a hole James naughtier who suggested he must have insight into the experience of being a woman because he sometimes dresses like one. In the nicest possible way perry indicated that was bollocks.
I am increasingly loving him I must say

I saw Grayson Perry once at the Clinique counter in John Lewis, Oxford Street, in full dress, wig and heels, buying makeup and thought 'bloody good for you, darling!'. He looked fabulous. Big fan but as another poster said, he never claims to be a woman or would claim to know more about feminism than a female.

Entirely agree countess. Plus they should stop calling themselves a magazine for women. They are a magazine for femininity performers -,what we used to call drag acts, in fact

Femininity, even.

I honestly don't care if Glamour decides to work with an identity based idea of who their audience is. They're always going to be a magazine for people who want to perform feminity anyway - plenty of transwomen will be more interested in all that stuff than I am.
Just, I wish they would dial back on the fucking misogyny. It is perfectly possible for them to include transwomen without being hateful to women at the same time.

I've heard this fantasy girlhood bollocks before. My mum taught me zip about feminine practices, no make up, hair, fashion advice. No conversations about boys, or shaving my legs or contraception. She did show me how to use Sanpro but that was it. I worked some of it out for myself some of it I still have no clue about and muddled (incompetently) along into womanhood. I can't imagine I'm alone in this.

Not only that but I find the notion that my role as a mother to my daughter and the wisdom I have to offer whilst "sitting round the fire"is defined and reduced to make up tips, kind of insulting.

Not that women can't teach their daughters femininity, I would help my daughter if she asked, I just don't see it as as important as teaching her about bodily autonomy, or financial independence and management, or how to take care of her emotional well being and not to become a people pleaser nor a selfish arse.

That Matt Van Gonten is a fucking idiot. And a pompous one. Like hell are transwomen more likely to be sexually assaulted than women. Clueless mansplaining twat.

Methinks Kat needs a dictionary for christmas - "A woman is anyone who honestly identifies as one"

No, love. Words mean something.

archery

I might be tempted to steal the faberge egg

But i saw Glamour in the library and i didnt even borrow it for free

I am hard core