Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism

Juno apparently is attracted to men. Perhaps he could spend his time telling straight men they should accept his female penis rather than telling women how to do feminism.

I'm actually starting to think about reclaiming TERF in the way of so many derogatory terms originally applied to oppressed minority groups. "TERF and proud" anyone

I agree actually. If disagreeing with the sentiment that men can magically become women somehow (whether that's through wearing a dress, chopping your cock and balls off or doing nothing except declaring that you're a woman) makes me a TERF, then so be it.

You can get to fuck with your offensive transplaining, 'Juno'.

Finally RTT, article etc had to comment.

I am a rare MN poster, and a mother of children of both sexes. I have huge sympathy for humans of either sex who feel uncomfortable in their bodies. But for my children's sakes I can no longer say nothing while some men try to take away one thing women own as an absolute right: the ability to define what it means to be a woman.

Transgender 'women' seem to 'identify as a woman' based on their perceptions of what being a woman is, which appears to equate to mainly changing their outward appearance. This is the sex equivalent of 'black-face' - labia face?? Putting on my clothes and pretending to be me does not equate to understanding my experience because I did not choose to be a woman; I AM a woman, however I choose to live my life I will always be a woman. Same for men, remaining men. This is science, not oppression.

The anti-woman rhetoric (TERF, cis, threats of violence if we don't play nice, etc) is typically male anti-women behaviour. This is exactly the kind of behaviour that means we need our women-only safe spaces.

Check out this brilliant post about Transplaining which says it so well 'Trans women are women, because as far as men are concerned, women are just castrated, defective men, and at any rate women are so inconsequential and ethereal that they literally have no properties.' scumorama.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/mansplaining-and-transplaning-defined/

Paffle thanks for posting that bit from Life of Brian upthread...It's eerie and scary how that exact level of batshitness is now being fed and nurtured by the mainstream.

I'm actually starting to think about reclaiming TERF in the way of so many derogatory terms originally applied to oppressed minority groups. "TERF and proud" anyone?

Glamour will be much too scared that the wrath of Juno's girlfriends will rain down on them if they back down.
One easy way not to be called a TERF is to call other people TERF and align with the aggressors.

I agree.
They won't back down, they can't back down, look at MN.

I foresee next month's editorial being along the lines of "Last month's column from our wonderful writer Juno was one of the most read this year. It's really important for women to support other women and we are so lucky to have her writing for us"

It is terribly rabbit holish, isn't it? On the Glamour twitter feed, they write "We are lucky to have Juno writing for us and sharing her experience." Lucky? Even if you take out the misogyny, the accusations, the use of terf, Glamour magazine folks are seriously deluded to think themselves lucky to have a columnist who is such a terrible writer. Such turgid, juvenile dross. I cannot believe they think this stuff is quality writing.

I doubt they are worried, sadly.

I think they are in their little ivory tower, convinced that they are right on. The more they are challenged, the more they will cling to their crazy and misguided ideas.

Rather like when MN is invaded by MRAs. Nobody here suddenly says, "hang on, they've got a point".

I think they will be applauding themselves and thinking they have just prodded a TERFY bee's nest but that they are right, more open minded, more sophisticated than those stupid MNers who think silly retrograde things like having a penis makes you a man.

Honestly, I don't think they have the mental bandwidth to get to grips with the true issues and arguments. They do work for Glamour, after all, a magazine filled with articles about beauty rituals and how skinny jeans are now a disaster or whatever.

But then I have never bought Glamour so I might be wrong on their content. But it makes it hard for me to boycott them!

Bono? Huh?

So, when was the last time they made a woman Woman of the Year?

Have I fallen through a wormhole again?

Thanks ageing and babies.

If I were her, I would have let them labour under the impression she's an intern.

I looked at her Twitter - the last few days have been moaning about the fact they didn't make Bono woman if the year but man of the year and why doesn't anyone realise that, duh.

I'd argue that if that many people have misunderstood, then it's your poor communication that's at fault, rather than their understanding.

I wonder if Conde Nast will be having words with Jo Elvin? Their readership is overwhelmingly ABC1 women with an average age of 30. Will they appreciate being told they're doing feminism wrong by someone who was a gay man until last year? Or that Bono, a man who doesn't pay his tax and is a serial adulterer is a great feminist icon. Doubtful.

Oh this thread alone, people have cancelled their subscriptions on the basis of this editorial decision.

I'd be worried if I were her.

MTT is Male to Trans
FTT is Female to Trans

A Male and Female are biological and no one can change sex, hence these people change from their original sex to trans. i.e. Still the same sex but with differences related to feelings, cross sex hormones, breasts or genitals.

user, it's 'to' used as a more accurate alternative to 'male to female'

What does MTT stand for? I assume the word male and trans are involved, but what's the second T?

Sorry, should have scrolled further

Cancelley I couldn't see them using Firefox, but can in Explorer

That response from the social media editor is classic. She tells women that they should be fine with TERF, but immediately picks up the blogger who calls her an intern because, you know, words are important and she's not an intern and doesn't want to be termed one.
It would be funny if the woman wasn't so tragically thick.

This being in Glamour is the beginning of the end.

It has gone from odd hipster trend to appearing in a mainstream fashion magazine. Young people will move on to some new cause.

I really think the majority of people supporting trans issues have not thought it through. They are in favor of marriage equality, they defend gay rights and they think wrongly that men who want to live as women are just an extension of that live and let everyone live as they want rhetoric. They are in all probability unaware of the TERF discourse, the lies, the bullying.

And Glamour magazine have fallen lock stock and barrel into this trap. Now publishing columns by MTT misogynists, bringing TERF in to the mainstream and having their social media editor attack women.

Glamour is read by millions of women, so he's been handed a massive platform. They're even worse.

Shins: but so confused! I am a little sympathetic as the article is so off mark and confused.
Are they influential? If not I would write them off as being silly about feminism. I do gather they have written teen books though.